Bugis Celebes Keris / info on age/dapur ?

kai · 27th July 2007, 08:37 AM

Hello Sharial,

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Kai, it might or might not be,... better picture would help... I'm not certain, given pictures from several awkward position, are u?

Nah, I bow to your experience. From pic #2 and #5 I'd have guessed at a Sulawesi origin (short base of the hilt, nearly perpendicular "bow," very stylized head). I'm far from positive though - just curious which hints are suggesting a possible Sumatran origin.

Regards,
Kai

Alam Shah · 27th July 2007, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by kai

...Nah, I bow to your experience. From pic #2 and #5 I'd have guessed at a Sulawesi origin (short base of the hilt, nearly perpendicular "bow," very stylized head). I'm far from positive though - just curious which hints are suggesting a possible Sumatran origin...

Hi Kai, you're being modest. I don't have much experience.
From pic #1 & #2, from the upright position... I initially thought that it had a 60 degree 'bow', that was what made me suggested Sumatra...

However, upon looking closely again... pic #3 and #6 shows the lower "bow", and flat balong at the back. The head area is 'fatter' with a 'droopy' chin, which leans towards Sulawesi... my mistake.

asomotif · 27th July 2007, 12:16 PM

We are getting there slowely.

I have some better

pictures of the hilt from different angles.
Please note the very small notch on the top, that seems to be worn of in time.

I received pictures from a forumite of spermwhale tooth objects that were discoloured towards brown/brownish (thanks!). Looks a bit like this hilt. But this hilt has several pieces that almost look like wood on the top and left side. Nothing I have ever seen before.

asomotif · 27th July 2007, 12:26 PM

some close close ups of the hilt. maybe gives a clue on the material.

Alam Shah · 27th July 2007, 12:33 PM

Thanks for the new photos. From pic #1 and #4, it seems that the sheath is not original for the blade. Previously the sheath was home to a thicker blade, imho.

asomotif · 27th July 2007, 01:45 PM

Dear Alam,

Indeed the sheath is somewhat wider that the blade.
However the blade fits rather nicely, does not sink to low or remains to high in the sheath.
than with the marine ivory hilt (?) and gold / goldplated bits and pieces and a provenance from the previous owner. my best keris by far.
So I am quite happy all together.

Ps. the hilt, is that a 100% bugis now ?

Alam Shah · 27th July 2007, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by asomotif

Dear Alam,

Indeed the sheath is somewhat wider that the blade.
However the blade fits rather nicely, does not sink to low or remains to high in the sheath.
than with the marine ivory hilt (?) and gold / goldplated bits and pieces and a provenance from the previous owner. my best keris by far.
So I am quite happy all together.

Ps. the hilt, is that a 100% bugis now ?

Hi Willem,

Congratulations! on a fine acquisition.

As mentioned before, the blade is rare and sought after.
Fittings are additional bonus...
The blade and sheath fittings... if it's ok by you, it's ok then...

As for the hilt, it's 100% Bugis (Sulawesi). I find it fun and fulfilling... restoring old pieces... (provided we know what we're doing). Good luck and enjoy!

27th July 2007, 12:16 PM	#3
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,235	We are getting there slowely. I have some better pictures of the hilt from different angles. Please note the very small notch on the top, that seems to be worn of in time. I received pictures from a forumite of spermwhale tooth objects that were discoloured towards brown/brownish (thanks!). Looks a bit like this hilt. But this hilt has several pieces that almost look like wood on the top and left side. Nothing I have ever seen before. Attached Images

27th July 2007, 12:26 PM	#4
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,235	some close close ups of the hilt. maybe gives a clue on the material. Attached Images

27th July 2007, 12:33 PM	#5
Alam Shah Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,248	Thanks for the new photos. From pic #1 and #4, it seems that the sheath is not original for the blade. Previously the sheath was home to a thicker blade, imho.

27th July 2007, 01:45 PM	#6
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,235	Dear Alam, Indeed the sheath is somewhat wider that the blade. However the blade fits rather nicely, does not sink to low or remains to high in the sheath. than with the marine ivory hilt (?) and gold / goldplated bits and pieces and a provenance from the previous owner. my best keris by far. So I am quite happy all together. Ps. the hilt, is that a 100% bugis now ?