keris and spirit

PenangsangII · 21st July 2007, 06:00 AM

Dear respectable friends,

Since we are still on the subject of keris & spirit, let me tell you a story, that is if you all have the time.......

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My former mother in-law (my mother in-law from previous marriage) passed away a few months ago. My 2 daughters used to live with her in a traditional house in a not so modern village. After her passing, my daughters were afraid to stay alone in the house, esp when my ex-wife went to work everyday. So, after school, my daughters would stay out of the house, sometimes with the relatives, sometimes in the library or even in a nearby warong, waiting for my ex-wife to come home before getting into the house, and this had prompted me to take necessary action.

To make the long story short, last month, I brought a pamored Raja Gundala keris to the house, and told my 2 daughters that they should never be afraid of any unseen beings, and to my surprise, they told me that they had seen an old lady dressed in all white robe hanging around the house esp after sunset, and it appeared more often after midnite. Even my ex was also afraid.

I told them to recite certain Quranic verses, and to keep my Raja Gundala keris with them - to signify my presence, and to hold / display the keris when such object/s appeared again. They did as told and the house was not haunted again.

I was told by a wiseman that keris with that kind pamor was very powerful to keep bad spirit at bay, as well as strong anti black magic implement. Or maybe, it's all in the mind - when you are not afraid & confident, such bad spirit/s will be afraid and stay away from you?

I hope any of the forumites will be able to tell me whether Raja Gundala is really that powerful.

Regards,

Penangsang

David · 23rd July 2007, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by PenangsangII

I was told by a wiseman that keris with that kind pamor was very powerful to keep bad spirit at bay, as well as strong anti black magic implement. Or maybe, it's all in the mind - when you are not afraid & confident, such bad spirit/s will be afraid and stay away from you?

We often come to this point in the conversation whenever such matters are discussed. Is it "real" or only in ones mind. And so i ask, what does it matter as long as the desired effect takes place. ALL magick takes place first in the mind.

Raden Usman Djogja · 25th July 2007, 12:17 AM

David & Penangsang

a word related to your discussion about "not afraid and confident" is pusaka/keris/spear/heirloom as "sipat piandel". Sorry David for not translating "sipat piandel" in English. I do hope any forumity could translate it.

some devoted religious people use their holly book as "sipat piandel". some other devoted men think that holly book per se is nothing. It only contains written verses. however, to the others, holly book is needed to materialize what they believe and then the effect is to boost their confident. if gaining full confident, no one will be afraid to anything. Something exists because someone believes.

some people rely on their degree or curicullum vitae or colleagues or position or wealth as "sipat piandel". certain people rely on their KERIS (one of them with pamor ROJO GUNDOLO [=KING of SPIRIT?])

imho, actually, all those "sipat piandel" metioned above are the manifestation of THE SINGULARITY as Alan said. Normatively, every one must rely on the SINGULARITY directly as "sipat piandel" without any medium ("lantaran") such as holly book, KERIS, position, wealth, connection et cetera et cetera. IT IS VERY CLEAR. but, why dont people go directly?

imho, simply that THE PRESENT OF THE SINGULARITY IS TOO ABSTRACT.

meanwhile, all of us are growing up in the materialism age.

warm salam,
Usmen

21st July 2007, 06:00 AM	#1
PenangsangII Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 401	Raja Gundala Dear respectable friends, Since we are still on the subject of keris & spirit, let me tell you a story, that is if you all have the time....... . My former mother in-law (my mother in-law from previous marriage) passed away a few months ago. My 2 daughters used to live with her in a traditional house in a not so modern village. After her passing, my daughters were afraid to stay alone in the house, esp when my ex-wife went to work everyday. So, after school, my daughters would stay out of the house, sometimes with the relatives, sometimes in the library or even in a nearby warong, waiting for my ex-wife to come home before getting into the house, and this had prompted me to take necessary action. To make the long story short, last month, I brought a pamored Raja Gundala keris to the house, and told my 2 daughters that they should never be afraid of any unseen beings, and to my surprise, they told me that they had seen an old lady dressed in all white robe hanging around the house esp after sunset, and it appeared more often after midnite. Even my ex was also afraid. I told them to recite certain Quranic verses, and to keep my Raja Gundala keris with them - to signify my presence, and to hold / display the keris when such object/s appeared again. They did as told and the house was not haunted again. I was told by a wiseman that keris with that kind pamor was very powerful to keep bad spirit at bay, as well as strong anti black magic implement. Or maybe, it's all in the mind - when you are not afraid & confident, such bad spirit/s will be afraid and stay away from you? I hope any of the forumites will be able to tell me whether Raja Gundala is really that powerful. Regards, Penangsang

25th July 2007, 12:17 AM	#3
Raden Usman Djogja Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 199	David & Penangsang a word related to your discussion about "not afraid and confident" is pusaka/keris/spear/heirloom as "sipat piandel". Sorry David for not translating "sipat piandel" in English. I do hope any forumity could translate it. some devoted religious people use their holly book as "sipat piandel". some other devoted men think that holly book per se is nothing. It only contains written verses. however, to the others, holly book is needed to materialize what they believe and then the effect is to boost their confident. if gaining full confident, no one will be afraid to anything. Something exists because someone believes. some people rely on their degree or curicullum vitae or colleagues or position or wealth as "sipat piandel". certain people rely on their KERIS (one of them with pamor ROJO GUNDOLO [=KING of SPIRIT?]) imho, actually, all those "sipat piandel" metioned above are the manifestation of THE SINGULARITY as Alan said. Normatively, every one must rely on the SINGULARITY directly as "sipat piandel" without any medium ("lantaran") such as holly book, KERIS, position, wealth, connection et cetera et cetera. IT IS VERY CLEAR. but, why dont people go directly? imho, simply that THE PRESENT OF THE SINGULARITY IS TOO ABSTRACT. meanwhile, all of us are growing up in the materialism age. warm salam, Usmen