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VANDOO · 13th July 2007, 03:34 PM

I AGREE IT IS PROBABLY A PEDANG THE WORKMANSHIP AND THE WAY THE GAURD IS ATTACHED REMINDS ME OF PRANG NABURS. PERHAPS IT IS A PEDANG WITH SOME EUROPEAN INFLUNCE IN THE DESIGN OF THE GUARD.
UNFORTUNATELY THESE TWO NABURS PICTURED ARE NOT MINE AND I DON'T REMEMBER WHERE I GOT THE PICTURES FOR REFRENCE SO I HOPE NO ONE IS OFFENDED BY THEIR USE HERE.

Tim Simmons · 13th July 2007, 05:20 PM

Can anyone say whether silver pieces might have been used as inlay. Most often silver pieces are pinned in place. Here it looks as if the inlay was held in place by an adhesive which might suggest more likely mother of pearl?

Rick · 13th July 2007, 05:41 PM

It seems that all the inlay pieces are gone; this suggests to me that they had some monetary value; silver possibly but it might have been suassa or low carat gold .

Tim Simmons · 13th July 2007, 06:21 PM

Good point Rick. Working with it all the time I sometimes loose track that to some people it is precious. It will be far easier to replace than mother of pearl.

Battara · 13th July 2007, 09:37 PM

I am in the Indonesian camp. I am thinking perhaps ivory inlays. These can fall out too.

Henk · 13th July 2007, 09:39 PM

If the inlay was mother of pearl it is very good possible that the adhesive contains some remains of mother of pearl. I don't think the inlay was a metal like silver or gold or something. Metal inlay mostly was, as said, pinned. I personally have the idea that the inlay was made of an organic material like mother of pearl, bone or ivory. But why is all the inlay removed? Then the theory of silver or gold makes sense.

In the book by Van Zonneveld on page 94 is a large picture of a pedang lurus that has some similarities with the guard of this one.

Tim Simmons · 13th July 2007, 09:55 PM

What do you think would look best? Silver is easy but to me not right, mother of pearl would be my choice. It may well have been ivory but that is problematic. I also think that the white of ivory would be a rather dull contrast to the dark wood of the handle. I wonder what the original artist felt?

RhysMichael · 14th July 2007, 12:07 AM

You can buy old ivory piano keys at times on ebay. I have gotten them for knife scales before. That may be an option. Only problem is when you are working ivory it smells like when the dentist is drilling your teeth, at least to me. I've never worked MOP but I have been told you have to keep it from heating up too much so the I was told to use new and very sharp tools. I am sure someone here knows more about this than I do

13th July 2007, 03:34 PM	#1
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	I AGREE IT IS PROBABLY A PEDANG THE WORKMANSHIP AND THE WAY THE GAURD IS ATTACHED REMINDS ME OF PRANG NABURS. PERHAPS IT IS A PEDANG WITH SOME EUROPEAN INFLUNCE IN THE DESIGN OF THE GUARD. UNFORTUNATELY THESE TWO NABURS PICTURED ARE NOT MINE AND I DON'T REMEMBER WHERE I GOT THE PICTURES FOR REFRENCE SO I HOPE NO ONE IS OFFENDED BY THEIR USE HERE. Attached Images

13th July 2007, 05:20 PM	#2
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,843	Can anyone say whether silver pieces might have been used as inlay. Most often silver pieces are pinned in place. Here it looks as if the inlay was held in place by an adhesive which might suggest more likely mother of pearl?

13th July 2007, 05:41 PM	#3
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,336	It seems that all the inlay pieces are gone; this suggests to me that they had some monetary value; silver possibly but it might have been suassa or low carat gold .

13th July 2007, 06:21 PM	#4
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,843	Good point Rick. Working with it all the time I sometimes loose track that to some people it is precious. It will be far easier to replace than mother of pearl.

13th July 2007, 09:37 PM	#5
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,272	I am in the Indonesian camp. I am thinking perhaps ivory inlays. These can fall out too.

13th July 2007, 09:39 PM	#6
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	If the inlay was mother of pearl it is very good possible that the adhesive contains some remains of mother of pearl. I don't think the inlay was a metal like silver or gold or something. Metal inlay mostly was, as said, pinned. I personally have the idea that the inlay was made of an organic material like mother of pearl, bone or ivory. But why is all the inlay removed? Then the theory of silver or gold makes sense. In the book by Van Zonneveld on page 94 is a large picture of a pedang lurus that has some similarities with the guard of this one.

13th July 2007, 09:55 PM	#7
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,843	What do you think would look best? Silver is easy but to me not right, mother of pearl would be my choice. It may well have been ivory but that is problematic. I also think that the white of ivory would be a rather dull contrast to the dark wood of the handle. I wonder what the original artist felt?

14th July 2007, 12:07 AM	#8
RhysMichael Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Virginia Posts: 520	You can buy old ivory piano keys at times on ebay. I have gotten them for knife scales before. That may be an option. Only problem is when you are working ivory it smells like when the dentist is drilling your teeth, at least to me. I've never worked MOP but I have been told you have to keep it from heating up too much so the I was told to use new and very sharp tools. I am sure someone here knows more about this than I do