Chinese dha (daidao) for comment

kai · 5th July 2007, 08:25 PM

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It was found on the Chinese side of the border.

Well, some of the ethnic groups in SW Yunnan have close ties with those on the Burmese and Thai sides of the mountain range. AFAIK, there are quite a few dha known to have come out of Yunnan. Trade along this southern land route has been going on for milennia (not to mention the last decades of intensive commerce between Burma and China).

Regards,
Kai

RSWORD · 5th July 2007, 10:06 PM

I like the blade profile on this one. I hope it turns out to be nicely laminated. Also seems more typical of a Chinese blade profile than a dha profile. Please post some more blade pics when you get in hand.

Ian · 6th July 2007, 04:33 AM

Hi Josh:

The link between the swords of northern Burma and neighboring southern China (Yunan Province) are well established. Cultural groups that span the international borders have been in place for many centuries. It should be remembered too that the overland route from eastern India to China went through Burma (the Burma Road through northern Burma).

One can certainly find Burmese dha with Chinese inscriptions (I have a couple), as well as typical Burmese dha with strong Chinese design elements in the scabbard and hilt. Here is an example of a Burmese dha with Chinese-influenced decorations:

This sword was exhibited last year in Macau in the History of Steel Exhibition, and was featured on the front of the catalog that resulted from that effort.

Ian.

josh stout · 6th July 2007, 03:38 PM

That is an intriguing mishmash of styles. The carnelians on the scabbard remind me very strongly of Tibetan work. I am fascinated with influences at the border regions of China. Mostly I have looked at Chinese/Tibetan stylistic attributes, but this last dha seems to go around the corner as it were from Sichuan to Yunnan and down to Burma.

The daidao I posted does seem to have a stronger Chinese influence in its blade than others I have seen from Yunnan province. I am looking forward to seeing how it is constructed. It is almost certainly laminated, but I think with a less pronounced pattern than one would find in Tibetan or Yi blades. The pattern may be difficult to see without some work. How would the blade be attached to the handle? Is the tang peened over at the end?

While I am thinking about border influences, does anyone know anything about the Yi from Yunnan? Would they use a dha/daidao or stay with the zhebeidao as found in Sichuan? I have a decent idea now what to expect from the Northern Yi, but I have never seen anything from their southern cousins. There is supposedly a strong Burmese influence.
Josh

Ian · 6th July 2007, 07:18 PM

Josh:

You raise some interesting quesions about Sino-border styles, and the likeness to Tibetan decorative style is apparent in the example I posted.

The sword dha favored by the Kachin was found throughout the range they previously occupied in the 18th and 19th C, which extended as far west as Assam. Such westward migration would have brought them into fairly close proximity to Tibet, so a direct connection may be possible. That particular sword has some age to it, and is probably a 19th C. example.

Ian.

6th July 2007, 04:33 AM	#3
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,453	China-Burma links Hi Josh: The link between the swords of northern Burma and neighboring southern China (Yunan Province) are well established. Cultural groups that span the international borders have been in place for many centuries. It should be remembered too that the overland route from eastern India to China went through Burma (the Burma Road through northern Burma). One can certainly find Burmese dha with Chinese inscriptions (I have a couple), as well as typical Burmese dha with strong Chinese design elements in the scabbard and hilt. Here is an example of a Burmese dha with Chinese-influenced decorations: This sword was exhibited last year in Macau in the History of Steel Exhibition, and was featured on the front of the catalog that resulted from that effort. Ian. Last edited by Ian; 6th July 2007 at 07:57 PM.

5th July 2007, 10:06 PM	#2
RSWORD Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greensboro, NC Posts: 1,087	I like the blade profile on this one. I hope it turns out to be nicely laminated. Also seems more typical of a Chinese blade profile than a dha profile. Please post some more blade pics when you get in hand.

6th July 2007, 03:38 PM	#4
josh stout Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 407	That is an intriguing mishmash of styles. The carnelians on the scabbard remind me very strongly of Tibetan work. I am fascinated with influences at the border regions of China. Mostly I have looked at Chinese/Tibetan stylistic attributes, but this last dha seems to go around the corner as it were from Sichuan to Yunnan and down to Burma. The daidao I posted does seem to have a stronger Chinese influence in its blade than others I have seen from Yunnan province. I am looking forward to seeing how it is constructed. It is almost certainly laminated, but I think with a less pronounced pattern than one would find in Tibetan or Yi blades. The pattern may be difficult to see without some work. How would the blade be attached to the handle? Is the tang peened over at the end? While I am thinking about border influences, does anyone know anything about the Yi from Yunnan? Would they use a dha/daidao or stay with the zhebeidao as found in Sichuan? I have a decent idea now what to expect from the Northern Yi, but I have never seen anything from their southern cousins. There is supposedly a strong Burmese influence. Josh

6th July 2007, 07:18 PM	#5
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,453	Josh: You raise some interesting quesions about Sino-border styles, and the likeness to Tibetan decorative style is apparent in the example I posted. The sword dha favored by the Kachin was found throughout the range they previously occupied in the 18th and 19th C, which extended as far west as Assam. Such westward migration would have brought them into fairly close proximity to Tibet, so a direct connection may be possible. That particular sword has some age to it, and is probably a 19th C. example. Ian.