Ruined bichaq/yataghan

TVV · 28th June 2007, 06:42 PM

I hate to pop in into every thread and identify things as Balkan, but I am afraid I will have to do it again, as it looks to me like this could be a blade from a karakulak, or shepherd's knife from the late 19th/eraly 20th century from, here I go again, the Balkans. These are characterized by shorter yataghan-like blades and simple, unadorned hilts and scabbards. They are still relatively cheap and easy to find, especially compared to yataghans, and it is easy for someone to buy such knives, strip them from their hilts and then offer only the blades on eBay as early Ottoman yataghans, or even Greek mahairas in some cases. Here is a picture of what it may have looked like:

As far as the restoration is concerned, I personally would not go as far as putting ivory scales, as horn ones would be sufficient and perhaps more accurate. Scabbards were made of two pieces of wood, covered in leather and held with a bracelet or two, nothing fancy.

Emanuel · 28th June 2007, 07:07 PM

Thank you very much Teodor! This doesn't sadden me one bit, and it's a good thing you told me about the handle material. Black horn will be easier to get. I am searching the archives for other discussion on these, but could you post a shot of the handle so I can do a decent restoration job?

Regards,
Emanuel

TVV · 28th June 2007, 07:13 PM

Manolo,

There is nothing to be saddened about, it is still a nice blade. The hilt scales should have small ears, but the decoration is very much a matter of your own taste. Here is a close-up of the hilt of the karakulak posted in my previous post, note the similarity with Bosnian bichaqs. That inlay will be difficult though:

You can go for something simple, such as this:

I will try to post more hilts later, when I am back home.

Regards,
Teodor

Emanuel · 28th June 2007, 07:27 PM

Excellent Teodor, thank you! The decoration is indeed similar to Bosnian bichaqs...Balkans as you said

I will start with the simple kind, in time I will try my hand at inlay.

Cheers,
Emanuel

katana · 28th June 2007, 08:00 PM

Hi Emanuel,
should be an interesting project, look forward to your updates.

kronckew · 28th June 2007, 08:22 PM

more hilt pics:

my karakulak yataghan, 22in blade, grips 5.5 in , including a 3/4in integral bolster:

overall (new scabbard made from tourist tulwar scabbard with reversed fittings)

ariel · 28th June 2007, 09:18 PM

The scabbard looks like the one from "Made in India" saber-type thingies, only turned upside down to accomodate the Yataghan blade.
Am I wrong?

28th June 2007, 06:42 PM	#1
TVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bay Area Posts: 1,740	I hate to pop in into every thread and identify things as Balkan, but I am afraid I will have to do it again, as it looks to me like this could be a blade from a karakulak, or shepherd's knife from the late 19th/eraly 20th century from, here I go again, the Balkans. These are characterized by shorter yataghan-like blades and simple, unadorned hilts and scabbards. They are still relatively cheap and easy to find, especially compared to yataghans, and it is easy for someone to buy such knives, strip them from their hilts and then offer only the blades on eBay as early Ottoman yataghans, or even Greek mahairas in some cases. Here is a picture of what it may have looked like: As far as the restoration is concerned, I personally would not go as far as putting ivory scales, as horn ones would be sufficient and perhaps more accurate. Scabbards were made of two pieces of wood, covered in leather and held with a bracelet or two, nothing fancy.

28th June 2007, 07:07 PM	#2
Emanuel Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,242	Thank you very much Teodor! This doesn't sadden me one bit, and it's a good thing you told me about the handle material. Black horn will be easier to get. I am searching the archives for other discussion on these, but could you post a shot of the handle so I can do a decent restoration job? Regards, Emanuel

28th June 2007, 07:13 PM	#3
TVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bay Area Posts: 1,740	Manolo, There is nothing to be saddened about, it is still a nice blade. The hilt scales should have small ears, but the decoration is very much a matter of your own taste. Here is a close-up of the hilt of the karakulak posted in my previous post, note the similarity with Bosnian bichaqs. That inlay will be difficult though: You can go for something simple, such as this: I will try to post more hilts later, when I am back home. Regards, Teodor

28th June 2007, 07:27 PM	#4
Emanuel Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,242	Excellent Teodor, thank you! The decoration is indeed similar to Bosnian bichaqs...Balkans as you said I will start with the simple kind, in time I will try my hand at inlay. Cheers, Emanuel

28th June 2007, 08:00 PM	#5
katana Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 2,658	Hi Emanuel, should be an interesting project, look forward to your updates.

28th June 2007, 08:22 PM	#6
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,264	more hilt pics: my karakulak yataghan, 22in blade, grips 5.5 in , including a 3/4in integral bolster: overall (new scabbard made from tourist tulwar scabbard with reversed fittings)

28th June 2007, 09:18 PM	#7
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	The scabbard looks like the one from "Made in India" saber-type thingies, only turned upside down to accomodate the Yataghan blade. Am I wrong?