M a j a p a h i t R e v i s i t e d

PenangsangII · 18th June 2007, 10:45 AM

I am sorry too TC that your thread was somewhat hijacked by the history buffs. But I am glad that Pak Ganjawulung has moved it so that we can discuss Majapahit history further. It's very imperative that we study Majapahit if we are to understand the keris diasphora to most part of Malay archipelago.

Pangeran Datu, I thought dapur Jalak Sangu Tumpeng was created ONLY by Mpu Hanggareksa who lived during Keratanegara's reign (Singhasari), and most likely commissioned by either Kertanegara himself or by Sanggramawijaya after the defeat of Jayakatwang. I guess I'll have to check my facts again at the national library in KL. There goes my weekend plan

Rick · 18th June 2007, 02:20 PM

Please, in the future if you wish to change the subject in an existing thread just start a new one; it is so much easier for all to follow rather than to transfer quotes .

Thank you all .

Rick

ganjawulung · 20th June 2007, 05:56 AM

Thank You, Rick,
I am so sorry for the incovenience I made...

Ganjawulung

Rick · 20th June 2007, 02:46 PM

No apology needed Ganjawulung

; I just made a gentle reminder to all our members to please try to stay on the topic of the original post in a thread.

Please feel free to continue with this new thread that you have started .

My best,

Rick

David · 20th June 2007, 04:00 PM

I agree with Rick. I have seen many threads of late vere off on tangents that have absolutely nothing to do with the original thread. There are many forums out there where the moderators will split such threads, but i (and i believe Rick as well) would rather not get that domineering in the conversation (nor do we have the time

) and sometimes these tangents will lead to something good. So as long as the conversation is civil and in the ballpark of keris or keris culture i am of the mind to let the discussions take theirown course. But if you have sometime new to say that is totally off the subject it is always best to open up a new thread right away. "If you build it, they will come."

PenangsangII · 26th June 2007, 05:58 AM

Hi all,

My trip to the National Library didnt yield anything WRT keris Jalak Sangu Tumpeng. However, a little information was found right under my nose in the compilation works of A.H. Hill in "The Keris and Other Malay Weapons" that the particular dapur was attributed ONLY to Mpu (Aria) Hanggareksa.

According to tutur tinular (unwritten folk lore), keris Jalak Sangu Tumpeng was commissioned by Ranggalawe who was both Singhasari & Majapahit nobleman.

ganjawulung · 28th June 2007, 03:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PenangsangII

My trip to the National Library didnt yield anything WRT keris Jalak Sangu Tumpeng. However, a little information was found right under my nose in the compilation works of A.H. Hill in "The Keris and Other Malay Weapons" that the particular dapur was attributed ONLY to Mpu (Aria) Hanggareksa.

According to tutur tinular (unwritten folk lore), keris Jalak Sangu Tumpeng was commissioned by Ranggalawe who was both Singhasari & Majapahit nobleman.

Dear Penangsang,
According to an old Javanese book, "Panangguhing Duwung" (The Tangguh of Keris), King of Majapahit Prabu Brawijaya I commissioned keris with dapur of Jalak Sangutumpeng to Empu Hangga in Tapan in the Caka (Saka) year of 1303 or 1381 CE. (But this is confusing, because according to MC Ricklefs -- A History of Modern Indonesia Since c 1300 -- Brawijaya I or Kertawijaya reigned 1447-1451. There was discrepancy of more than 50 years...)

The Javanese text is as follows: "... Pandjenenganipoen nata Praboe Brawidjaja ingkang kapisan, ijasa dedamel, noeroen dedamel dapoer Djalaksangoetoempeng, kalijan dapoer Djalaksamelanggandring, saha dapoer Mangkoerat, toewin dapoer Mangkoenagara, ingkang damel Empoe Hangga ing Tapan, kala ing taoen tjandra-sangkala 1303.."

The translation, "His Majesty King Brawijaya the first, commissioned -- copying the dapur Jalak Sangutumpeng, and dapur Jalak Sumelang Gandring, dapur Mangkurat, and also dapur Mangkunagara. Was made by Empu Hangga from Tapan, in the Saka year of 1303..."

About who was Empu Hangga, the Javanese book told us that Empu Hangga was the grandson of the well known Pajajaran's Empu Marcukunda. Empu Hangga dwelled in Tapan.

During Majapahit era, Empu Hangga from Tapan changed name as Empu Singkir because of "wisik" (whispers) from the late Empu Anjani his grand-grand father, once in his dreaming.

Ganjawulung

18th June 2007, 02:20 PM	#2
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,347	Gentlemen Please, in the future if you wish to change the subject in an existing thread just start a new one; it is so much easier for all to follow rather than to transfer quotes . Thank you all . Rick

26th June 2007, 05:58 AM	#6
PenangsangII Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 401	Jalak Sangu Tumpeng Hi all, My trip to the National Library didnt yield anything WRT keris Jalak Sangu Tumpeng. However, a little information was found right under my nose in the compilation works of A.H. Hill in "The Keris and Other Malay Weapons" that the particular dapur was attributed ONLY to Mpu (Aria) Hanggareksa. According to tutur tinular (unwritten folk lore), keris Jalak Sangu Tumpeng was commissioned by Ranggalawe who was both Singhasari & Majapahit nobleman.

18th June 2007, 10:45 AM	#1
PenangsangII Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 401	I am sorry too TC that your thread was somewhat hijacked by the history buffs. But I am glad that Pak Ganjawulung has moved it so that we can discuss Majapahit history further. It's very imperative that we study Majapahit if we are to understand the keris diasphora to most part of Malay archipelago. Pangeran Datu, I thought dapur Jalak Sangu Tumpeng was created ONLY by Mpu Hanggareksa who lived during Keratanegara's reign (Singhasari), and most likely commissioned by either Kertanegara himself or by Sanggramawijaya after the defeat of Jayakatwang. I guess I'll have to check my facts again at the national library in KL. There goes my weekend plan

20th June 2007, 05:56 AM	#3
ganjawulung Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: J a k a r t a Posts: 991	Thank You, Rick, I am so sorry for the incovenience I made... Ganjawulung

20th June 2007, 02:46 PM	#4
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,347	No apology needed Ganjawulung ; I just made a gentle reminder to all our members to please try to stay on the topic of the original post in a thread. Please feel free to continue with this new thread that you have started . My best, Rick

20th June 2007, 04:00 PM	#5
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,229	I agree with Rick. I have seen many threads of late vere off on tangents that have absolutely nothing to do with the original thread. There are many forums out there where the moderators will split such threads, but i (and i believe Rick as well) would rather not get that domineering in the conversation (nor do we have the time ) and sometimes these tangents will lead to something good. So as long as the conversation is civil and in the ballpark of keris or keris culture i am of the mind to let the discussions take theirown course. But if you have sometime new to say that is totally off the subject it is always best to open up a new thread right away. "If you build it, they will come."