Tibetan sword: real?????

Rick · 10th June 2007, 02:54 AM

Hello Kai,
Yes the site has been running slowly for me too.
I'm on cable.

Oriental-Arms · 10th June 2007, 07:09 PM

I think it is not a fake. The blade is real and early, 1900 or so. Spiral gave all the good reasons for it. The handle and the scabbard are crudely made but made for use and not for sale to tourists. both are mid 20 C. or a bit earlier. The only suspicious part may be the scabbard tip, but also this IMHO is a crudely made tip to cover a possible damage to the leather.

Bill M · 10th June 2007, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Oriental-Arms

I think it is not a fake. The blade is real and early, 1900 or so. Spiral gave all the good reasons for it. The handle and the scabbard are crudely made but made for use and not for sale to tourists. both are mid 20 C. or a bit earlier. The only suspicious part may be the scabbard tip, but also this IMHO is a crudely made tip to cover a possible damage to the leather.

Suddenly and for some strange reason, I am interested in this sword!

Like I said, I always liked it..........

dennee · 10th June 2007, 07:43 PM

The only thing that bothers me is that this is the third sword I have seen in a week (in photos) with horn grips, something that is not rare but certainly less common among Tibetan swords. One of them had a similar chape although of white metal and a little better quality. The pommels of the other two were different from this one but similar to each other. This pommel is of a southeastern type, seen among the Poba, etc.

Each of the three swords is convincing to a different degree, but it is the coincidence that bothers me. And I do think the scabbard stitching is poor, although the scabbard form is an authentic one.

Bill M · 10th June 2007, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by dennee

The only thing that bothers me is that this is the third sword I have seen in a week (in photos) with horn grips, something that is not rare but certainly less common among Tibetan swords. One of them had a similar chape although of white metal and a little better quality. The pommels of the other two were different from this one but similar to each other. This pommel is of a southeastern type, seen among the Poba, etc.

Each of the three swords is convincing to a different degree, but it is the coincidence that bothers me. And I do think the scabbard stitching is poor, although the scabbard form is an authentic one.

True, dennee, you have a point. Hmmm

VANDOO · 10th June 2007, 10:07 PM

THE RED CORAL LOOKS LIKE THE DYED CORAL COMING OUT OF CHINA IN MASS. FOR AN EXAMPLE OF HOW GOOD CHINESE FORGERYS CAN BE TAKE A LOOK AT EBAY ITEM 160122843989. THEY ARE MAKEING SOME VERY CONVINCING OLD AMERICAN COINS SO FAR THEY ARE LISTED AS COPYS OR REPLICAS I GUESS TO AVOID BREAKING COUNTERFIT LAWS TO BLATANTLY. I WAS LOOKING AT THE SMALL STONE CARVINGS WHEN I RAN ACROSS THE COINS. IF YOU WANT TO SEE A WIDE VARIETY OF COINS BEING MADE SEE THE SELLERS OTHER ITEMS.

Bill M · 10th June 2007, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by VANDOO

THE RED CORAL LOOKS LIKE THE DYED CORAL COMING OUT OF CHINA IN MASS. FOR AN EXAMPLE OF HOW GOOD CHINESE FORGERYS CAN BE TAKE A LOOK AT EBAY ITEM 160122843989. THEY ARE MAKEING SOME VERY CONVINCING OLD AMERICAN COINS SO FAR THEY ARE LISTED AS COPYS OR REPLICAS I GUESS TO AVOID BREAKING COUNTERFIT LAWS TO BLATANTLY. I WAS LOOKING AT THE SMALL STONE CARVINGS WHEN I RAN ACROSS THE COINS.

Interesting. A Chinese seller admitting he sells copies. What is the world coming to?

When I grew up, my father's newspaper printing business was in a questionable part of downtown Atlanta. Street bums were always trying to cadge a bit of change. Usually the excuse was they needed to get something to eat or to get out of town and needed bus fare. However the local, nearby bars were where they headed.

One day a guy came up to me and said, "Buddy, I aint gonna lie to you. I need 50 cents for a cold beer." I though this was a refreshingly honest guy and gave him a dollar.

Walking smugly along I was accosted by another bum. He began, "Buddy, I ain't gonna lie to you....."

spiral · 10th June 2007, 10:30 PM

Intresting that the sellers currently listing 10 variations of Tibet sword.

To me most of the blades look real. old & laminated. {Hard to belive but they do look right, even the pitting looks genuine.}

Amazing array of modern scabbards & handels though including another one in identicle tone of buffalo horn.

Nepal is full of rusty old blades, perhaps this was a similar cache from Tibet or Bhutan etc. {or even Nepal, China India,.]

Re handled , new scabbards & straight on to ebay.

Doubt if Chinese customs would be concerned about these blades somehow, hardly Chinese heritage.

But sadley overpriced.

Spiral

ps if the blades are fake, their getting good at ageing.

10th June 2007, 02:54 AM	#1
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,336	Slow Hello Kai, Yes the site has been running slowly for me too. I'm on cable.

10th June 2007, 10:07 PM	#6
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	THE RED CORAL LOOKS LIKE THE DYED CORAL COMING OUT OF CHINA IN MASS. FOR AN EXAMPLE OF HOW GOOD CHINESE FORGERYS CAN BE TAKE A LOOK AT EBAY ITEM 160122843989. THEY ARE MAKEING SOME VERY CONVINCING OLD AMERICAN COINS SO FAR THEY ARE LISTED AS COPYS OR REPLICAS I GUESS TO AVOID BREAKING COUNTERFIT LAWS TO BLATANTLY. I WAS LOOKING AT THE SMALL STONE CARVINGS WHEN I RAN ACROSS THE COINS. IF YOU WANT TO SEE A WIDE VARIETY OF COINS BEING MADE SEE THE SELLERS OTHER ITEMS. Last edited by VANDOO; 10th June 2007 at 10:42 PM.

10th June 2007, 07:09 PM	#2
Oriental-Arms Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Haifa, Israel Posts: 183	I think it is not a fake. The blade is real and early, 1900 or so. Spiral gave all the good reasons for it. The handle and the scabbard are crudely made but made for use and not for sale to tourists. both are mid 20 C. or a bit earlier. The only suspicious part may be the scabbard tip, but also this IMHO is a crudely made tip to cover a possible damage to the leather.

10th June 2007, 07:43 PM	#4
dennee Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: College Park, MD Posts: 186	The only thing that bothers me is that this is the third sword I have seen in a week (in photos) with horn grips, something that is not rare but certainly less common among Tibetan swords. One of them had a similar chape although of white metal and a little better quality. The pommels of the other two were different from this one but similar to each other. This pommel is of a southeastern type, seen among the Poba, etc. Each of the three swords is convincing to a different degree, but it is the coincidence that bothers me. And I do think the scabbard stitching is poor, although the scabbard form is an authentic one.

10th June 2007, 10:30 PM	#8
spiral Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,712	Intresting that the sellers currently listing 10 variations of Tibet sword. To me most of the blades look real. old & laminated. {Hard to belive but they do look right, even the pitting looks genuine.} Amazing array of modern scabbards & handels though including another one in identicle tone of buffalo horn. Nepal is full of rusty old blades, perhaps this was a similar cache from Tibet or Bhutan etc. {or even Nepal, China India,.] Re handled , new scabbards & straight on to ebay. Doubt if Chinese customs would be concerned about these blades somehow, hardly Chinese heritage. But sadley overpriced. Spiral ps if the blades are fake, their getting good at ageing.