keris and spirit

Raden Usman Djogja · 8th June 2007, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by HanaChu69

Hi Usman & fellow keris collectors

Sometime early this year, my mom mentioned that she saw the back of an old man wearing all white “jubah” (gown) loitering around my hall corridor during midnight.

A week later, I was on my way to work and surprisingly saw the old man earlier mentioned by my mom. I was shocked because he smelt so strongly of my keris oil which I bought from Adni (MAG).
Truthfully,
HanaChu69

Hana,

Not only you but also your mom had the same experience.

Several times people told me spiritual experiences related with keris. I believed some stories and doubted any other ones. In your case, I believe it. Why? Because two person without any appointement have seen similiar image.

Perhaps, you can use three different oils for your each different patrem. Then, let you feel what happens after. I do hope, sooner or later, you will be able to distinguish your patrems.

I will share experience to you.
Long time ago, I watched late Empu Djeno on local TV interview. He said about his spiritual experiences during his career as Empu. One of stories was he saw a big snake in his studio just before making special keris.

Months later, I went to his home to ask about the special keris he mentioned in the interview. He said that that special keris was used as family pusaka (never ever for sale).

Just month ago, late Empu Djeno's nephew, young Keris smith Sungkowo, delivered my commissioned kerises (actually, I commissioned to Empu DJeno 2 or 3 years ago). Before delivering those kerises, I requested to Empu Sungkowo to bring that special keris when he delivered kerises to my home. He stayed a night in my home sweet home.

One day later. Three people who coincidentlly coming in my home had a unique experience. Two of them saw a snake whilst one of them didnt. Unbelievable to them why one amongst them could not see it. All of them did not know what happened in my home one day before.

Till now, I still try to get the meaning from the story I have told you already.

Usman

HanaChu69 · 10th June 2007, 06:14 PM

Hi Usman,

I was thinking if it’s true that these “Khadam” (spiritual being) will appear to those selected ones only. What a co-incidence that two of your guests saw the snake exception for the third. It was almost similar to that of mine i.e. my mom and I. Lucky no.2 I guess?? I hope the others who have stories to share could shed some light to this theory.

The above experience has caught me by surprise. Imagine, it was around 10am and I was deep in thought when it happened. I was thinking of outstanding to do list and walking towards my destination (This is my usual habit in the morning). Suddenly I smell the familiar keris oil that triggered me to turn my head to have a quick glance to find its source. I saw the back white hair of an old man in white standing next to a pillar. Nothing extraordinary registered through my mind so I keep on walking. At estmated 10 meters away, I seek out the old man this time out of curiosity because he was not one of those usual familiar faces. He had his side profile facing me but slowly turned to face me directly showing his true physical form (black sunglasses and white “jubah”). He must have felt that I was staring so hard at him. My guess was he was more than 80 years old which I derived due to shrinkage in bone density, unusually very fair and pale exactly like a walking corpse. I quickly looked away for I don’t make a habit staring at men in general. Within seconds, my memory snapped for I remembered my mom’s description of the old man the week before. I turned around in search of the old man again but he simply vanished. I really regret my action for I should have talk to him or kept him within sight. It could be because I was in a stage of shock as in “unbelievable”…

Oh..Thank you for your kind suggestion. In fact, I have the initial idea of concocting different scents for all my patrems but it is still in progress.

Btw, is it possible for you to elaborate on the snake part? How did it appear? Could it be guardian of your new commissioned kerises or from the special keris that Empu Sungkowo brought along with him? I pray and hope that you will find the answers to the meaning of your story too…Best of luck!!

HanaChu69

David · 11th June 2007, 12:18 AM

Hana, i think you will be seeing your old gentleman again. I seems you have unfinished business.

Raden Usman Djogja · 11th June 2007, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by HanaChu69

Hi Usman,

Btw, is it possible for you to elaborate on the snake part? How did it appear? Could it be guardian of your new commissioned kerises or from the special keris that Empu Sungkowo brought along with him? I pray and hope that you will find the answers to the meaning of your story too…Best of luck!!

HanaChu69

Hana,

Seemingly, I cannot elaborate it at this moment. Because, now, I am in Africa and the actual appearence was in Indonesia. I just got info when I phoned my parents. It is hard to analyse if just getting information through telephone.
Anyway, thank you for praying and hoping that I will find the meaning of it.

Okay... I agree with David.... about your unfinished business".

Usman

HanaChu69 · 11th June 2007, 05:53 PM

Hi David & Usman

Please enlighten me with your comments on “unfinished business”…If you asked me I will say it will be my contingency plans. What shall be my next step? I guess it will be a long and tedious process.

Actually, I have consulted two pioneer keris experts. One wouldn’t want to give me any comments. The other gave me the same comment like Newsteel and that it is “my rezeki” (good luck). Well…I sure hope so…

While waiting for more eagerly waited stories, can we proceed and continue with the “tayuh” and “nayuh”. I’m sure it will be very interesting discussion if there’s more participation from the other members as well.

Truly,
Hana

P.S – I hold great respect for our fellow members who are not well-versed in the English language but they make an effort to participate in our “warung kopi”. No worries, I’m fine as long as I can grasp the concept and the correct understanding. Keep up the good work!!

David · 11th June 2007, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by HanaChu69

Please enlighten me with your comments on “unfinished business”…

I say this because just his mere appearance is meaningless. It seems to me that more communication is necessary to find out why he is appearing to you and your mother. You said it yourself, you should have talked to him. If the message he is trying to communicate isn't clear then the business is obvoiusly "unfinished". Hopefully you will get another chance to find out what this is all about.

PenangsangII · 12th June 2007, 03:06 AM

Hana,

Pls be careful when dealing the genie khadam. If the keris is your rightful pusaka, then I believe "he" was trying to communicate with you, then you'll have to undergo certain ritual to communicate with him.

OTOH, if the keris was acquired thru purchase, pls check with the seller (whom I believe is very knowledgable in the physical & spiritual aspects of the keris) before initiating any communication with the khadam.

Remember, the more lives the keris had taken previously, the stronger khadam would be, and there's possibility that "he" is evil. So, again, please be careful!!

HanaChu69 · 12th June 2007, 01:15 PM

Greetings everyone

David - I have to disagree that “his mere appearance is meaningless”. Some of them would want acknowledgement that they do exist and living around you. As usual these “khadam” will not speak to us and communication with them comes in form of dreams or through a medium.

PenangsangII – Appreciate your concern and thank you. I have no special ritual as my method to scan my kerises individually by means of prayers (hajat & istiharah). I do not seek help from a medium which I find against my principle. That’s why I say it will be tedious process. The answer will not be immediate and will take some time. At least there’s some guidance for further actions.

Regards,
HanaChu69

P.S - Your name sound familiar and are you Penangsang from Kgnt?

Raden Usman Djogja · 12th June 2007, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by HanaChu69

Hi David & Usman

.... please enlighten me with your comments on “unfinished business”…
While waiting for more eagerly waited stories, can we proceed and continue with the “tayuh” and “nayuh”. I’m sure it will be very interesting discussion if there’s more participation from the other members as well.

Truly,
Hana

P.S – ... fellow members who are not well-versed in the English language ....

dear Hana,

emm... my english is not well-versed. but, hopefully, you can grasp the idea and, please, correct and revise my written statement then send through individual message. At the end of the day, I do want to master in English.

about "unfinished business", instead of enlightening you, I want to discuss with you since I dont have any means to enlight other.

Keris has always odd curves. Theoritically or "pakem"ly or normally, there is no keris with even curves. According to my sources, the reason why a keris must have odd curves is because the empu make a keris for a special purpose (there is no keris for general purpose to solve all kind of problem). It means whenever there is a keris, there should be an unfinished business. Whenever the problem has been fixed, It is even then a keris will go somewhere else by thousand causes. There is a keris, there is a mission. The mission must be good both in process and result.

Now, you have patrems (small kerises). You and your mother faced unique appearances. I dont know about "khadam"... then I will not use term of "khadam" in my elaboration. Whenever you fill in a dvd in its player and switch on the television then you watch so many appearance on TV, nothing wonder you. It should be normal too, if you watch, feel or hear "a thing" whenever you occupy a "real" keris. Perhaps, the appearance from keris makes wonder because there in no standard process or scientific explanation yet on how it works.

By facing appearence, there will be 2 possibilities. Fisrt, there is a problem before and the appearance is just like a reminder. Second, there is no problem before and the appearance creates new motivation. Both situation will be end on "unfinished business".

Now, instead of to communicate with your keris, it is more important to communicate with yourself first. In which part of yourlife that you feel "unfinished" or in which part of your live you will create a new mission.... after you have a vision. Only after you finish to communicate to yourself, up to you if you want to continue to communicate with your keris in a way you have already believed. One by one and step by step in doing with a keris.

Usman

Raden Usman Djogja · 12th June 2007, 05:31 PM

Hana,

I spent 4 months in S'pore in 1996. At that time, I lived in Kent Ridge Hall, Lower Kent Ridge Road (near Clementi) and studied at 4th semester (a semester) in NUS. Lovely S'pore.

Usman

David · 12th June 2007, 05:33 PM

Yes Hana, perhaps "meaningless" was too strong a word, but as Usman suggests, the appearance is not an end or a solution and perhaps signifies further action to be taken on your part.

A. G. Maisey · 12th June 2007, 10:45 PM

Pak Usman, you have told us several times that your understanding of keris is minimal. Perhaps it is, perhaps it is not. I don't know. But your understanding of the way in which communication with the unseen world functions is clear.The answer to hanachu's questions are within himself:- he must first understand himself and then his answer will present itself.How to go into our own soul? Different things work for different people. Possibly the right teacher or guide might help.

10th June 2007, 06:14 PM	#2
HanaChu69 Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Singapore Posts: 29	Cool!! Hi Usman, I was thinking if it’s true that these “Khadam” (spiritual being) will appear to those selected ones only. What a co-incidence that two of your guests saw the snake exception for the third. It was almost similar to that of mine i.e. my mom and I. Lucky no.2 I guess?? I hope the others who have stories to share could shed some light to this theory. The above experience has caught me by surprise. Imagine, it was around 10am and I was deep in thought when it happened. I was thinking of outstanding to do list and walking towards my destination (This is my usual habit in the morning). Suddenly I smell the familiar keris oil that triggered me to turn my head to have a quick glance to find its source. I saw the back white hair of an old man in white standing next to a pillar. Nothing extraordinary registered through my mind so I keep on walking. At estmated 10 meters away, I seek out the old man this time out of curiosity because he was not one of those usual familiar faces. He had his side profile facing me but slowly turned to face me directly showing his true physical form (black sunglasses and white “jubah”). He must have felt that I was staring so hard at him. My guess was he was more than 80 years old which I derived due to shrinkage in bone density, unusually very fair and pale exactly like a walking corpse. I quickly looked away for I don’t make a habit staring at men in general. Within seconds, my memory snapped for I remembered my mom’s description of the old man the week before. I turned around in search of the old man again but he simply vanished. I really regret my action for I should have talk to him or kept him within sight. It could be because I was in a stage of shock as in “unbelievable”… Oh..Thank you for your kind suggestion. In fact, I have the initial idea of concocting different scents for all my patrems but it is still in progress. Btw, is it possible for you to elaborate on the snake part? How did it appear? Could it be guardian of your new commissioned kerises or from the special keris that Empu Sungkowo brought along with him? I pray and hope that you will find the answers to the meaning of your story too…Best of luck!! HanaChu69 Last edited by HanaChu69; 11th June 2007 at 12:26 PM.

11th June 2007, 05:53 PM	#5
HanaChu69 Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Singapore Posts: 29	Cool!! Hi David & Usman Please enlighten me with your comments on “unfinished business”…If you asked me I will say it will be my contingency plans. What shall be my next step? I guess it will be a long and tedious process. Actually, I have consulted two pioneer keris experts. One wouldn’t want to give me any comments. The other gave me the same comment like Newsteel and that it is “my rezeki” (good luck). Well…I sure hope so… While waiting for more eagerly waited stories, can we proceed and continue with the “tayuh” and “nayuh”. I’m sure it will be very interesting discussion if there’s more participation from the other members as well. Truly, Hana P.S – I hold great respect for our fellow members who are not well-versed in the English language but they make an effort to participate in our “warung kopi”. No worries, I’m fine as long as I can grasp the concept and the correct understanding. Keep up the good work!!

12th June 2007, 01:15 PM	#8
HanaChu69 Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Singapore Posts: 29	Cool!! Greetings everyone David - I have to disagree that “his mere appearance is meaningless”. Some of them would want acknowledgement that they do exist and living around you. As usual these “khadam” will not speak to us and communication with them comes in form of dreams or through a medium. PenangsangII – Appreciate your concern and thank you. I have no special ritual as my method to scan my kerises individually by means of prayers (hajat & istiharah). I do not seek help from a medium which I find against my principle. That’s why I say it will be tedious process. The answer will not be immediate and will take some time. At least there’s some guidance for further actions. Regards, HanaChu69 P.S - Your name sound familiar and are you Penangsang from Kgnt?

11th June 2007, 12:18 AM	#3
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,211	Hana, i think you will be seeing your old gentleman again. I seems you have unfinished business.

12th June 2007, 03:06 AM	#7
PenangsangII Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 401	Hana, Pls be careful when dealing the genie khadam. If the keris is your rightful pusaka, then I believe "he" was trying to communicate with you, then you'll have to undergo certain ritual to communicate with him. OTOH, if the keris was acquired thru purchase, pls check with the seller (whom I believe is very knowledgable in the physical & spiritual aspects of the keris) before initiating any communication with the khadam. Remember, the more lives the keris had taken previously, the stronger khadam would be, and there's possibility that "he" is evil. So, again, please be careful!!

12th June 2007, 05:31 PM	#10
Raden Usman Djogja Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 199	Hana, I spent 4 months in S'pore in 1996. At that time, I lived in Kent Ridge Hall, Lower Kent Ridge Road (near Clementi) and studied at 4th semester (a semester) in NUS. Lovely S'pore. Usman

12th June 2007, 05:33 PM	#11
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,211	Yes Hana, perhaps "meaningless" was too strong a word, but as Usman suggests, the appearance is not an end or a solution and perhaps signifies further action to be taken on your part.

12th June 2007, 10:45 PM	#12
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,992	Pak Usman, you have told us several times that your understanding of keris is minimal. Perhaps it is, perhaps it is not. I don't know. But your understanding of the way in which communication with the unseen world functions is clear.The answer to hanachu's questions are within himself:- he must first understand himself and then his answer will present itself.How to go into our own soul? Different things work for different people. Possibly the right teacher or guide might help.