First Keris

Newsteel · 6th June 2007, 01:36 AM

To add, having this good profile blade and that high balung pekaka hilt is a bonus. You may also want to buffer polish the scabbard and the stem (sampir and batang) to make it even better.

Geee... I myself haven't got the chance to collect a good Pattani keris.

ganjawulung · 6th June 2007, 04:20 AM

Dear Shahrial, Newsteel, and All,

Yesterday, my friend from East Java sent me this sheath and two hilts. He had bought it for me somewhere around East Java, but unfortunately no keris inside. Just sheath and handles. Though, it is fascinating for me because this one is the first in my collection of such type of sheath. Is this Bugis, or Malay? And which type of handle is the better?

I am showing you too, four types of handles, two of them I got from my friend yesterday. Please name the style of the handles, if you don't mind...

Ganjawulung

Rick · 6th June 2007, 02:15 PM

I'd say that is a Bugis scabbard Ganja .
In my opinion the handle shown en suite with the scabbard is the correct, or should I say the more visually pleasing one.

ganjawulung · 6th June 2007, 06:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick

I'd say that is a Bugis scabbard Ganja .
In my opinion the handle shown en suite with the scabbard is the correct, or should I say the more visually pleasing one.

Thanks Rick,
Actually I might be ashamed with myself. An Indonesian, asking about Bugis sheath to you. Really I must 'learn' to know more on each details of Bugis keris, sheath and all the assesories.. Idem dito with Sumatra's keris. I know only a little, although sometimes somebody offered me in the past Sumatra kerises. Even Cirebonese kerises -- though only less than 300 km from Surakarta and Yogyakarta -- I am still trying to learn to know more.

Thanks Rick for your advice...

Ganjawulung

Henk · 6th June 2007, 09:08 PM

Don't be ashamed of yourself. As mentioned many times before, we all want to learn here.

Don't have the idea that a dutch knows everything about the Dutch stuff. And the knowledge about keris is a very long, long way. Have pleasure in discovering things and ask your questions, just like we do. And if you think you have an answer on a question we have, don't hestitate to give your opinion. Even when it turns out your opinion is not right you can learn from the opinion of other more knowledgeable members.

Alam Shah · 7th June 2007, 02:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ganjawulung

Dear Shahrial, Newsteel, and All,

... Just sheath and handles. Though, it is fascinating for me because this one is the first in my collection of such type of sheath. Is this Bugis, or Malay? And which type of handle is the better?

A nice typical Bugis sheath.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ganjawulung

I am showing you too, four types of handles, two of them I got from my friend yesterday. Please name the style of the handles, if you don't mind...

The one you've mounted on the keris ensemble, looks aesthetically pleasing. The hilt is in the kerdas form.

t_c · 7th June 2007, 02:56 AM

Thanks for the info everyone - I appreciate it!

After some more consideration, I think you guys are right, I'll stick with a dark wood for the end cap.

Rick,
Thanks for the offer, but I've been looking for a good excuse to make it down to the wood shop

ganjawulung · 7th June 2007, 03:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alam Shah

A nice typical Bugis sheath.

The one you've mounted on the keris ensemble, looks aesthetically pleasing. The hilt is in the kerdas form.

Yes Shahrial, Henk and All,
I will learn from you time to time. Especially for the knowledge on sheath, hilts, and assesories of kerises. Also the styles, one of the most important element of this keris world... Yeah, the style... Diversity of keris, but also all at once, the unity element in this keris world

I am so sory, tc, I disturb your thread so much. But really, I am eager to have, someday, a Pattani style like yours. Fascinating style... Good luck, tc, and all...

Ganjawulung

t_c · 7th June 2007, 06:22 AM

ganjawulung
No disturbance at all, I like to hear everyone's questions and answers - we all learn that way. Keep the questions coming!

Cheers

kai · 7th June 2007, 10:32 PM

Hello TC,

Congrats! Make sure to post pics of the finished scabbard - that's some beautifully grained wood!

Regards,
Kai

kai · 7th June 2007, 10:37 PM

Hello Ganja,

I also like both hulu on the left, especially the upper one may also look good with your ensemble. But I agree that the lower right one is probably the nicest (and apparently quite old) example with interesting pendokok!

Short of an authentic Bugis blade like Rick's Sepokal, you could also try to find a fitting Javanese blade since trade blades of good quality are pretty frequently found with keris from Sulawesi...

Regards,
Kai

ganjawulung · 8th June 2007, 03:12 AM

Thanks Kay,

Hopefully in a couple weeks, I will complete this sheath with the right keris. I've got one, and I returned it to the seller, because of no good appearance in the sekar kacang and greneng on the tail. Wavy (bugis?) keris with quite good pamor. But no good garap of work of art...
Anyway, thanks your kind attention.

Ganjawulung

6th June 2007, 04:20 AM	#2
ganjawulung Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: J a k a r t a Posts: 991	Bugis or Malay? Dear Shahrial, Newsteel, and All, Yesterday, my friend from East Java sent me this sheath and two hilts. He had bought it for me somewhere around East Java, but unfortunately no keris inside. Just sheath and handles. Though, it is fascinating for me because this one is the first in my collection of such type of sheath. Is this Bugis, or Malay? And which type of handle is the better? I am showing you too, four types of handles, two of them I got from my friend yesterday. Please name the style of the handles, if you don't mind... Ganjawulung Attached Images

6th June 2007, 02:15 PM	#3
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,336	I'd say that is a Bugis scabbard Ganja . In my opinion the handle shown en suite with the scabbard is the correct, or should I say the more visually pleasing one. Attached Images

6th June 2007, 01:36 AM	#1
Newsteel Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 132	To add, having this good profile blade and that high balung pekaka hilt is a bonus. You may also want to buffer polish the scabbard and the stem (sampir and batang) to make it even better. Geee... I myself haven't got the chance to collect a good Pattani keris.

6th June 2007, 09:08 PM	#5
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	Don't be ashamed of yourself. As mentioned many times before, we all want to learn here. Don't have the idea that a dutch knows everything about the Dutch stuff. And the knowledge about keris is a very long, long way. Have pleasure in discovering things and ask your questions, just like we do. And if you think you have an answer on a question we have, don't hestitate to give your opinion. Even when it turns out your opinion is not right you can learn from the opinion of other more knowledgeable members.

7th June 2007, 02:56 AM	#7
t_c Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: ca, usa Posts: 92	Thanks for the info everyone - I appreciate it! After some more consideration, I think you guys are right, I'll stick with a dark wood for the end cap. Rick, Thanks for the offer, but I've been looking for a good excuse to make it down to the wood shop

7th June 2007, 06:22 AM	#9
t_c Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: ca, usa Posts: 92	ganjawulung No disturbance at all, I like to hear everyone's questions and answers - we all learn that way. Keep the questions coming! Cheers

7th June 2007, 10:32 PM	#10
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,255	Hello TC, Congrats! Make sure to post pics of the finished scabbard - that's some beautifully grained wood! Regards, Kai

7th June 2007, 10:37 PM	#11
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,255	Hello Ganja, I also like both hulu on the left, especially the upper one may also look good with your ensemble. But I agree that the lower right one is probably the nicest (and apparently quite old) example with interesting pendokok! Short of an authentic Bugis blade like Rick's Sepokal, you could also try to find a fitting Javanese blade since trade blades of good quality are pretty frequently found with keris from Sulawesi... Regards, Kai

8th June 2007, 03:12 AM	#12
ganjawulung Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: J a k a r t a Posts: 991	Thanks Kay, Hopefully in a couple weeks, I will complete this sheath with the right keris. I've got one, and I returned it to the seller, because of no good appearance in the sekar kacang and greneng on the tail. Wavy (bugis?) keris with quite good pamor. But no good garap of work of art... Anyway, thanks your kind attention. Ganjawulung