First Keris

Alam Shah · 5th June 2007, 09:52 AM

Congrats on your 1st keris. A rather nice piece.
I tend to agree with Newsteel's opinion, the profile is Northern Peninsular Malaysia or Southern Thailand, but in this case, most likely Pattani.

The hilt is in the Northern Pekaka/Perkaka form, with a high balung (back of the hilt) and protuding beak-like feature.

The sheath is nice, I especially like the pattern at the centre of the cross-piece.

As mentioned, the pendokok/pendongkok (hilt cup) is missing. A silver pendokok would complement the piece. Here are some examples, click [here], and [here] for an openwork-style.

As for the blade treatment, I suggest adopting Newsteel's suggestion.

The lamination lines should appear more prominent afterwards.

As for the end-piece, I stand by Newsteel's opinion.

Now that you've bought your 1st piece, I wish you good luck... very soon you'll see it increase...

Henk · 5th June 2007, 10:26 PM

I completely agree with Newsteel and Alam Shah. Nothing to add.

Very nice piece!!

Rick · 6th June 2007, 01:22 AM

Nice keris !

I agree with the others about the buntut; Tagua or Ivory might be a bit over the top; stick with wood.

I might have a piece of dark Apple wood (about the shade of the wrongko) you can have gratis; it carves beautifully.

Newsteel · 6th June 2007, 01:36 AM

To add, having this good profile blade and that high balung pekaka hilt is a bonus. You may also want to buffer polish the scabbard and the stem (sampir and batang) to make it even better.

Geee... I myself haven't got the chance to collect a good Pattani keris.

ganjawulung · 6th June 2007, 04:20 AM

Dear Shahrial, Newsteel, and All,

Yesterday, my friend from East Java sent me this sheath and two hilts. He had bought it for me somewhere around East Java, but unfortunately no keris inside. Just sheath and handles. Though, it is fascinating for me because this one is the first in my collection of such type of sheath. Is this Bugis, or Malay? And which type of handle is the better?

I am showing you too, four types of handles, two of them I got from my friend yesterday. Please name the style of the handles, if you don't mind...

Ganjawulung

Rick · 6th June 2007, 02:15 PM

I'd say that is a Bugis scabbard Ganja .
In my opinion the handle shown en suite with the scabbard is the correct, or should I say the more visually pleasing one.

ganjawulung · 6th June 2007, 06:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick

I'd say that is a Bugis scabbard Ganja .
In my opinion the handle shown en suite with the scabbard is the correct, or should I say the more visually pleasing one.

Thanks Rick,
Actually I might be ashamed with myself. An Indonesian, asking about Bugis sheath to you. Really I must 'learn' to know more on each details of Bugis keris, sheath and all the assesories.. Idem dito with Sumatra's keris. I know only a little, although sometimes somebody offered me in the past Sumatra kerises. Even Cirebonese kerises -- though only less than 300 km from Surakarta and Yogyakarta -- I am still trying to learn to know more.

Thanks Rick for your advice...

Ganjawulung

Alam Shah · 7th June 2007, 02:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ganjawulung

Dear Shahrial, Newsteel, and All,

... Just sheath and handles. Though, it is fascinating for me because this one is the first in my collection of such type of sheath. Is this Bugis, or Malay? And which type of handle is the better?

A nice typical Bugis sheath.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ganjawulung

I am showing you too, four types of handles, two of them I got from my friend yesterday. Please name the style of the handles, if you don't mind...

The one you've mounted on the keris ensemble, looks aesthetically pleasing. The hilt is in the kerdas form.

t_c · 7th June 2007, 02:56 AM

Thanks for the info everyone - I appreciate it!

After some more consideration, I think you guys are right, I'll stick with a dark wood for the end cap.

Rick,
Thanks for the offer, but I've been looking for a good excuse to make it down to the wood shop

ganjawulung · 7th June 2007, 03:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alam Shah

A nice typical Bugis sheath.

The one you've mounted on the keris ensemble, looks aesthetically pleasing. The hilt is in the kerdas form.

Yes Shahrial, Henk and All,
I will learn from you time to time. Especially for the knowledge on sheath, hilts, and assesories of kerises. Also the styles, one of the most important element of this keris world... Yeah, the style... Diversity of keris, but also all at once, the unity element in this keris world

I am so sory, tc, I disturb your thread so much. But really, I am eager to have, someday, a Pattani style like yours. Fascinating style... Good luck, tc, and all...

Ganjawulung

5th June 2007, 09:52 AM	#1
Alam Shah Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,248	A nice piece... Congrats on your 1st keris. A rather nice piece. I tend to agree with Newsteel's opinion, the profile is Northern Peninsular Malaysia or Southern Thailand, but in this case, most likely Pattani. The hilt is in the Northern Pekaka/Perkaka form, with a high balung (back of the hilt) and protuding beak-like feature. The sheath is nice, I especially like the pattern at the centre of the cross-piece. As mentioned, the pendokok/pendongkok (hilt cup) is missing. A silver pendokok would complement the piece. Here are some examples, click [here], and [here] for an openwork-style. As for the blade treatment, I suggest adopting Newsteel's suggestion. The lamination lines should appear more prominent afterwards. As for the end-piece, I stand by Newsteel's opinion. Now that you've bought your 1st piece, I wish you good luck... very soon you'll see it increase... Last edited by Alam Shah; 6th June 2007 at 02:19 AM. Reason: grammar...

6th June 2007, 04:20 AM	#5
ganjawulung Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: J a k a r t a Posts: 991	Bugis or Malay? Dear Shahrial, Newsteel, and All, Yesterday, my friend from East Java sent me this sheath and two hilts. He had bought it for me somewhere around East Java, but unfortunately no keris inside. Just sheath and handles. Though, it is fascinating for me because this one is the first in my collection of such type of sheath. Is this Bugis, or Malay? And which type of handle is the better? I am showing you too, four types of handles, two of them I got from my friend yesterday. Please name the style of the handles, if you don't mind... Ganjawulung Attached Images

6th June 2007, 02:15 PM	#6
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,365	I'd say that is a Bugis scabbard Ganja . In my opinion the handle shown en suite with the scabbard is the correct, or should I say the more visually pleasing one. Attached Images

5th June 2007, 10:26 PM	#2
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	I completely agree with Newsteel and Alam Shah. Nothing to add. Very nice piece!!

6th June 2007, 01:22 AM	#3
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,365	Nice keris ! I agree with the others about the buntut; Tagua or Ivory might be a bit over the top; stick with wood. I might have a piece of dark Apple wood (about the shade of the wrongko) you can have gratis; it carves beautifully.

6th June 2007, 01:36 AM	#4
Newsteel Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 132	To add, having this good profile blade and that high balung pekaka hilt is a bonus. You may also want to buffer polish the scabbard and the stem (sampir and batang) to make it even better. Geee... I myself haven't got the chance to collect a good Pattani keris.

7th June 2007, 02:56 AM	#9
t_c Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: ca, usa Posts: 92	Thanks for the info everyone - I appreciate it! After some more consideration, I think you guys are right, I'll stick with a dark wood for the end cap. Rick, Thanks for the offer, but I've been looking for a good excuse to make it down to the wood shop