Old Faceted Head Knobkerrie For Comment

CharlesS · 4th June 2007, 09:53 PM

African clubs are far away from my specialty, but I think this is more likely to be East African than Zulu or S. African. Just a hunch.

Lew · 4th June 2007, 10:08 PM

Charles I know these types of clubs are hard to verify when it comes to specific tribes but I have seen a couple of others that came from South Africa and were tagged Zulu but who can be sure?

Tim Simmons · 4th June 2007, 10:10 PM

I think you maybe a right Charlie

sorry just had to do that. Yes it does look like an East african club.

Lew · 4th June 2007, 10:12 PM

Well what ever it is it's still a nice one and the price was right

Btw that is why I put a ? after Zulu

Lew

Tim Simmons · 4th June 2007, 10:16 PM

Nice clubs. I do not know why but I like clubs. The thought of bludgening or being bludgeoned is horrible. Mind you being slashed up by some nut cases sharp steel is not very nice either.

Lew · 4th June 2007, 10:31 PM

[QUOTE=Tim Simmons]Nice clubs. I do not know why but I like clubs.

Tim

It must be the caveman is us.

Jim McDougall · 5th June 2007, 02:49 PM

Lew LOL!!!!

That poor Neanderthal guy is really gonna need therapy with that one!!!

Can you guys say more on identifying knobkerries as Zulu, which I pretty much presumed were the prime users of these. Also, I honestly was unaware of faceted examples, what would specify East African with this feature?
Wish I could be more specific, but would like to know about these and even general info would be a great help.
Thanks very much,
Jim

CharlesS · 5th June 2007, 03:59 PM

My generalization that it may be E. African comes from its overall shape and the curvature of the haft putting the 'knob' clearly on one side of the haft(Masaai and Kikuyu types are an example). The shape of the knob was not one of the reasons I suggested E. African. In more typical S. African designs the knob is found in the top center of the haft. I am sure there are exceptions in both cases, and these are just generaliztions on my part, again African clubs are "not my thing" and I am only partially familiar with them.

It's an interesting, quality example regardless of its origin.

Lew · 5th June 2007, 04:21 PM

Jim

I emailed Ian Knight and showed him the link. He thinks it's an older form of Zulu club circa 1879 or earlier.

Lew.

The Double D · 6th June 2007, 06:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CharlesS

My generalization that it may be E. African comes from its overall shape and the curvature of the haft putting the 'knob' clearly on one side of the haft(Masaai and Kikuyu types are an example). The shape of the knob was not one of the reasons I suggested E. African. In more typical S. African designs the knob is found in the top center of the haft. I am sure there are exceptions in both cases, and these are just generaliztions on my part, again African clubs are "not my thing" and I am only partially familiar with them.

It's an interesting, quality example regardless of its origin.

I don't agree with your generalization Charles. I think "luck of the draw" for source of the material and type of construction has more to do with whether is aclub is off set than any regional consideration.

In my wife's Knobkerrie collection gathered here in Zululand we have both central head and off set.

All of our off set clubs are rootballs. All the central heads are carved sticks. Two of the offset heads came from Zulu sources, one came from amaPhondo. All Nguni people in Southern Africa.

Edited to add picture and clarify the point on our off set clubs

4th June 2007, 10:31 PM	#6
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	[QUOTE=Tim Simmons]Nice clubs. I do not know why but I like clubs. Tim It must be the caveman is us. Attached Images Last edited by LOUIEBLADES; 4th June 2007 at 10:48 PM.

4th June 2007, 09:53 PM	#1
CharlesS Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 1,854	African clubs are far away from my specialty, but I think this is more likely to be East African than Zulu or S. African. Just a hunch.

4th June 2007, 10:08 PM	#2
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	Charles I know these types of clubs are hard to verify when it comes to specific tribes but I have seen a couple of others that came from South Africa and were tagged Zulu but who can be sure?

4th June 2007, 10:10 PM	#3
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,925	I think you maybe a right Charlie sorry just had to do that. Yes it does look like an East african club.

4th June 2007, 10:12 PM	#4
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	Well what ever it is it's still a nice one and the price was right Btw that is why I put a ? after Zulu Lew

4th June 2007, 10:16 PM	#5
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,925	Nice clubs. I do not know why but I like clubs. The thought of bludgening or being bludgeoned is horrible. Mind you being slashed up by some nut cases sharp steel is not very nice either.

5th June 2007, 02:49 PM	#7
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,669	Lew LOL!!!! That poor Neanderthal guy is really gonna need therapy with that one!!! Can you guys say more on identifying knobkerries as Zulu, which I pretty much presumed were the prime users of these. Also, I honestly was unaware of faceted examples, what would specify East African with this feature? Wish I could be more specific, but would like to know about these and even general info would be a great help. Thanks very much, Jim

5th June 2007, 03:59 PM	#8
CharlesS Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 1,854	My generalization that it may be E. African comes from its overall shape and the curvature of the haft putting the 'knob' clearly on one side of the haft(Masaai and Kikuyu types are an example). The shape of the knob was not one of the reasons I suggested E. African. In more typical S. African designs the knob is found in the top center of the haft. I am sure there are exceptions in both cases, and these are just generaliztions on my part, again African clubs are "not my thing" and I am only partially familiar with them. It's an interesting, quality example regardless of its origin.

5th June 2007, 04:21 PM	#9
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	Jim I emailed Ian Knight and showed him the link. He thinks it's an older form of Zulu club circa 1879 or earlier. Lew.