Pics: Snake-like Curves

Alam Shah · 1st June 2007, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by ganjawulung

Dear Shahrial (part 2),
I like to have a keris from "short period" tangguh, like from Kesultanan Pajang (1551-1582) and of course from Pengging period (after Kesultanan Demak 1480-1550) and before 1582 Mataram Period. Usually, the short period has a very specific type. Like Pajang, has a special type in the base of two sogokan. (I can't say it with word. One must see the blade).

The short period is probably the reason why there isn't enough time to create more styles... Maybe, if it's not too much to ask, could you share with us, in pictures, maybe we can learn something.

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Originally Posted by ganjawulung

Pengging, has a "luk rengkol" with good iron, and slim model. The first spear in the picture above, is very strong. (With a "gigir sapi" or say it, back bone in the middle of the blade), strong enough to stab somebody. The Pengging style (picture 2), is also strong although it looks slim (but not to thin, with good iron).

Are those spears only for ceremonial purpose? I don't know. But in my opinion, the slim blade is quite strong to stab somebody... You will try?

Ganjawulung

Maybe you could ship it over and I'll try stabbing myself with it. If you don't hear from me, hmmm... I might be gone, otherwise, your blade might be damaged.

ganjawulung · 1st June 2007, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Alam Shah

...Maybe you could ship it over and I'll try stabbing myself with it. If you don't hear from me, hmmm... I might be gone, otherwise, your blade might be damaged.

Ha, ha, ha, but I wouldn't ship it to you...

Alam Shah · 1st June 2007, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by ganjawulung

Ha, ha, ha, but I wouldn't ship it to you...

Just kidding ya... don't take it to heart, ok.

I prefer constructive opinions... You have very nice pieces. The 'Pengging' pieces are not many and hard to come by (real ones that is).

I do welcome more info on 'Pengging' period pieces.

ganjawulung · 1st June 2007, 05:10 PM

Dear Shahrial and All,

These pictures below, showing spear point of tangguh Pajajaran (The Hindhu Kingdom, the ancestor of Islamic Kingdom of Cirebon). It wears dhapur (people called it) "kuntul ngantuk" (sleepy bird, a kind of paddy field bird with long beak). Tangguh Pajajaran, usually has a good iron, good pamor (Pajajaran Kingdom has good relation -- if I'm not mistaken -- with Portuguese). But not Pajajaran awal (in the beginning of Pajajaran), which usually not quite good iron. Nearly budo iron in kudi and kujang...

I don't know whether you see a "raja gundala" in this Pajajaran spear or not.. It was formerly owned by a dukun (practitioner) in Central Java. And the dhukun had died, his son sold the spear to me...

Ganjawulung

ganjawulung · 1st June 2007, 05:18 PM

Dear Shahrial and All,

Want more? This is a very humble piece, a spear which (supposed) bears tangguh Mataram (Islam, not old Mataram Hindhu) period between 1582-1749. The dhapur is "korowelang", a kind name of lokal snake...

Ganjawulung

Alam Shah · 1st June 2007, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ganjawulung

Dear Shahrial and All,

Want more? This is a very humble piece, a spear which (supposed) bears tangguh Mataram (Islam, not old Mataram Hindhu) period between 1582-1749. The dhapur is "korowelang", a kind name of lokal snake...

Ganjawulung

Beautiful tombak. My kind of piece... would love to see more.

ganjawulung · 1st June 2007, 05:40 PM

Dear Shahrial and All,
This piece, is from tangguh Cirebon, almost the same period of Demak. (Demak 1480-1550). Dhapur trisula. Many pusakas in Cirebon, are tombaks and kudi or kujang of Hindhu Pajajaran. This is one of the popular model of Cirebonese trisula (three points spear). They have also, dwisula (two points spear). Hope no too much. Sorry for disturbing you...

Ganjawulung

A. G. Maisey · 1st June 2007, 09:45 PM

These are quite unusual and attractive forms, Ganja.

Could you oblige with a 90 degree close up of the metuk of each of your Pengging tombak, and a 90 degree close up of a section of the blade?

I would appreciate it if the metuk could be photographed without the landhean, so that the first section of the pesi can be seen.

I apologise for lodging this request with you, and hope it does not cause you too much trouble.

1st June 2007, 05:10 PM	#4
ganjawulung Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: J a k a r t a Posts: 991	Tangguh Pajajaran Dear Shahrial and All, These pictures below, showing spear point of tangguh Pajajaran (The Hindhu Kingdom, the ancestor of Islamic Kingdom of Cirebon). It wears dhapur (people called it) "kuntul ngantuk" (sleepy bird, a kind of paddy field bird with long beak). Tangguh Pajajaran, usually has a good iron, good pamor (Pajajaran Kingdom has good relation -- if I'm not mistaken -- with Portuguese). But not Pajajaran awal (in the beginning of Pajajaran), which usually not quite good iron. Nearly budo iron in kudi and kujang... I don't know whether you see a "raja gundala" in this Pajajaran spear or not.. It was formerly owned by a dukun (practitioner) in Central Java. And the dhukun had died, his son sold the spear to me... Ganjawulung Attached Images

1st June 2007, 05:18 PM	#5
ganjawulung Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: J a k a r t a Posts: 991	Tangguh Mataram Dear Shahrial and All, Want more? This is a very humble piece, a spear which (supposed) bears tangguh Mataram (Islam, not old Mataram Hindhu) period between 1582-1749. The dhapur is "korowelang", a kind name of lokal snake... Ganjawulung Attached Images

1st June 2007, 05:40 PM	#7
ganjawulung Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: J a k a r t a Posts: 991	Tangguh Cirebon Dear Shahrial and All, This piece, is from tangguh Cirebon, almost the same period of Demak. (Demak 1480-1550). Dhapur trisula. Many pusakas in Cirebon, are tombaks and kudi or kujang of Hindhu Pajajaran. This is one of the popular model of Cirebonese trisula (three points spear). They have also, dwisula (two points spear). Hope no too much. Sorry for disturbing you... Ganjawulung Attached Images

1st June 2007, 09:45 PM	#8
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,992	These are quite unusual and attractive forms, Ganja. Could you oblige with a 90 degree close up of the metuk of each of your Pengging tombak, and a 90 degree close up of a section of the blade? I would appreciate it if the metuk could be photographed without the landhean, so that the first section of the pesi can be seen. I apologise for lodging this request with you, and hope it does not cause you too much trouble.