Is this a Javanese keris blade?

Mans · 1st March 2005, 07:19 PM

Anoman (Hanuman) Luk 5 Pamor Wos Wutah Tangguh Mataram Sultan Agung.
(Keris BW Collection)

Alam Shah · 2nd March 2005, 03:02 AM

Mans,

I'm still a learner with an 'L' plate

. Having seen your pieces, I tend to agree with your opinion on the similarities with your Megantara. My comparison was based on the megantara piece featured in Ensiklopedi Keris. I presumed that megantara is associated with a luk 7. However, as mentioned by your goodself it may vary (based on your earlier post).

I've looked through Ensiklopedi Keris, Tammens vol.2, 3 and some other keris books and still cannot find any resemblance to the elusive 'c' shape.

BlueErf, I guess it's something exotic and unique to your piece.
Have you asked Dave, Paul or Adni's opinion? They should be able to assist...
Good day.

BluErf · 2nd March 2005, 02:59 PM

Thanks all for the comments, especially Mans for the pictures. The visual comparison is definitely useful. I now have half a mind that this keris is really Javanese in origins, but the other half was looking at the feel and sturdiness of the blade and going "hmmm... maybe not...".

Actually, the pamor plays a part in the opinion-forming process too. (it actually has warangan, just that pamor is not very contrasting). Though its wos utah, it just doesn't look like the type usually seen on Javanese pieces. But then again, it could be because this is an older blade.

When I got this keris, I was really stumped. I guess we always have to keep in mind that kerises move and Empus move. This keris was found in an old East Sumatran/Malay sheath which was made for it. I commissioned the silver works because the sheath was looking really sad in its original state. Its Malay motifs, but I guess still generally "in the same family" given the E Sumatran/Malay connection.

BluErf · 2nd March 2005, 03:11 PM

For comparison, a Malay naga keris from Paul's collection. The luk is of a different style, but look at the 'c' underneath the naga's head.

Mans · 2nd March 2005, 07:33 PM

Nice Scabbard, BluErf.
I think you are very lucky to got keris like yours, because for now, it is too rare dapur.

The Paul's Keris is Malay. The top of blade similiar like a Malay or Sumatran keris. Nice Naga Siluman for collected.

About the 'C' underneath the naga's head, it could be a broken beard of Naga, so that it be came a "C"

. Perhaps it was "O", or indeed like "C"

I posted some photos of broken beard of Naga for comparison about the "C" at underneath the Naga's and photos of intact beard

So, the "C" is unique characteristic of your kerises

.

Regards,
Mans.

rasdan · 3rd March 2005, 02:05 AM

Hi guys,

I just found another keris with a "C". This is a javaneese keris however. Panji pengantin with a lot of luks. Its supposed to be 5 luks only.

Alam Shah · 3rd March 2005, 03:24 AM

Rasdan, the similarities are close. I take it back...about my earlier comment.

You guys should post pictures like these to accompany your comments, so that we can have a better opinion. The Panji Pengantin form that i saw is way different than the one you posted. (Nice pic by the way.)

BlueErf, nice silverworks. May I ask how you got it commissioned?
Learning things along the way. Thanks guys.

1st March 2005, 07:19 PM	#1
Mans Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: East Java Posts: 137	Anoman (Hanuman) Luk 5 Pamor Wos Wutah Tangguh Mataram Sultan Agung. (Keris BW Collection) Attached Images

2nd March 2005, 03:02 AM	#2
Alam Shah Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,248	Mans, I'm still a learner with an 'L' plate . Having seen your pieces, I tend to agree with your opinion on the similarities with your Megantara. My comparison was based on the megantara piece featured in Ensiklopedi Keris. I presumed that megantara is associated with a luk 7. However, as mentioned by your goodself it may vary (based on your earlier post). I've looked through Ensiklopedi Keris, Tammens vol.2, 3 and some other keris books and still cannot find any resemblance to the elusive 'c' shape. BlueErf, I guess it's something exotic and unique to your piece. Have you asked Dave, Paul or Adni's opinion? They should be able to assist... Good day. Last edited by Alam Shah; 2nd March 2005 at 03:15 AM.

2nd March 2005, 02:59 PM	#3
BluErf Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,180	Thanks all for the comments, especially Mans for the pictures. The visual comparison is definitely useful. I now have half a mind that this keris is really Javanese in origins, but the other half was looking at the feel and sturdiness of the blade and going "hmmm... maybe not...". Actually, the pamor plays a part in the opinion-forming process too. (it actually has warangan, just that pamor is not very contrasting). Though its wos utah, it just doesn't look like the type usually seen on Javanese pieces. But then again, it could be because this is an older blade. When I got this keris, I was really stumped. I guess we always have to keep in mind that kerises move and Empus move. This keris was found in an old East Sumatran/Malay sheath which was made for it. I commissioned the silver works because the sheath was looking really sad in its original state. Its Malay motifs, but I guess still generally "in the same family" given the E Sumatran/Malay connection. Attached Images

2nd March 2005, 03:11 PM	#4
BluErf Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,180	For comparison, a Malay naga keris from Paul's collection. The luk is of a different style, but look at the 'c' underneath the naga's head. Attached Images

2nd March 2005, 07:33 PM	#5
Mans Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: East Java Posts: 137	Nice Scabbard, BluErf. I think you are very lucky to got keris like yours, because for now, it is too rare dapur. The Paul's Keris is Malay. The top of blade similiar like a Malay or Sumatran keris. Nice Naga Siluman for collected. About the 'C' underneath the naga's head, it could be a broken beard of Naga, so that it be came a "C" . Perhaps it was "O", or indeed like "C" I posted some photos of broken beard of Naga for comparison about the "C" at underneath the Naga's and photos of intact beard So, the "C" is unique characteristic of your kerises . Regards, Mans. Attached Images

3rd March 2005, 02:05 AM	#6
rasdan Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kuala Lumpur Posts: 368	Hi guys, I just found another keris with a "C". This is a javaneese keris however. Panji pengantin with a lot of luks. Its supposed to be 5 luks only. Attached Images

3rd March 2005, 03:24 AM	#7
Alam Shah Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,248	Rasdan, the similarities are close. I take it back...about my earlier comment. You guys should post pictures like these to accompany your comments, so that we can have a better opinion. The Panji Pengantin form that i saw is way different than the one you posted. (Nice pic by the way.) BlueErf, nice silverworks. May I ask how you got it commissioned? Learning things along the way. Thanks guys.