Magnetic weapons

Jens Nordlunde · 1st March 2005, 04:27 PM

Gene, you really had me laugh aloud, I guess that you did not get a discount price, since you had to buy them in two different stores – if you ‘only’ buy two or three compasses a one store, it is harder to discuss the price – although I think a camel dealer would have

.

Ann, would it be possible for you to show a picture of one of the ingots?
If it looks like I think, it is like round bread, being thinker in the middle. Would that not make a difference when trying to make them magnetic? Also, if the ingot is round, how would the magnetism be at the ‘sides’? Would it not be different if it is longish

?

Jens

Mare Rosu · 1st March 2005, 05:07 PM

JENS
I have an wootz ingot and it is round/dome shaped, and I will take a picture of it and I also have a broken flat wootz bar/ingot all gotten from Artzi and I take a picture of that one also.
ANN
let me know what you want me to do as for as applying a compass on them,( I do have a supply of them!

)
The bars/ingots have not be subjected to any magnetic fields by me.

I am glad to have you at bat as you sure are one heavy hitter

.
Gene

B.I · 1st March 2005, 05:53 PM

this post is way over my head, but am enjoying the non-participating observation.
dr ann, its great to have someone of your knowledge and passion on board. i am assuming from your article, knowledge and background that your doctrate is related to your current studies. the only reason i ask, is that i have this knee problem in cold weathers....

gene, you dont fail to bowl us over with your ingenuity. not sure what you'll come up with next, but will hide in case there are explosions.
well done jens, for starting and carrying this discussion. i still havent got a clue whats going on but its all fun!

Ann Feuerbach · 1st March 2005, 10:02 PM

I do not have the ingot...they are in Germany, I think. I was just wondering if they had any natural polarity or magnetic properties. My friend is willing to test them. As I have mentioned before, I have not done any research on this so my knowledge of magnets etc is very limited (for the moment at least). Depending where they were made, the ingots can range from light bulb shaped, to cone shaped, to elongated, to egg like, to puck shaped. Depends on the crucibles interior shape.
Technically my Doctorate is in Archaeometallurgy (the study of ancient metals, yes...obscure). PhD was titled: Crucible Steel in Central Asia: Production, use and origins. So I have been working on the topic for a while, but there is still so much to learn! But I really am more of an Archaeological Scientist, as I also do conservation, glass, glazes, and ceramics...but all this inorganic stuff is the same to me. I don't do bones, so can't help with that knee

. I wish I had the money of a medical doctor! I got the same student loan debts as one!

Mare Rosu · 2nd March 2005, 01:44 AM

JENS
Is this the type of wootz ingot you were referring to, the round one?

Ann
you can have both wootz ingots for your testing if you want them, no string attached. and they are here in the USA ( some think Georgia is not however in the USA. but it is

) As you can tell from the pictures that the wootz ingots are neutral with no magnetic fields as all the compasses are pointing North.

B.I.
I thought that JENS was the mind reader of the forum. Your comment about blowing up things. When I left my old Laboratory position and took the chief Health Physic position at a Nuclear Power Plant, my old Plant Manager told
my replacement that " if Gene hasn't blown up he lab by now it will never be blown up", and that sir is the truth! So you also have the mind reading ability!

Gene

Mare Rosu · 2nd March 2005, 02:11 AM

JIM
Way off the subject of this thread however your comment to
Ann about her great writing skills reminded me of a time a long ago when I was involved in helping write a paper on the Nuclear water chemistry at a Nuclear Power plant.
The words that I used were not acceptable, reason was that the paper had to be written to the most knowledgeable person in the field and had to be written "over his head", all for impression sake and not to convey any information/knowledge to the lay public.
Ann has the ability to convey information to us dummies ( me that is) and I thank her as well as you for it, you also have the ability to not only convey information in understandable terms but to also smooth the feathers of the forum folks from time to time.

Will be back on subject matter when I return from taking my wife to the SEC woman's basketball tournment.
Be back next week
Gene

1st March 2005, 05:07 PM	#2
Mare Rosu Deceased Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: USA, DEEP SOUTH, GEORGIA, Y'all hear? Posts: 121	Wootz ingots JENS I have an wootz ingot and it is round/dome shaped, and I will take a picture of it and I also have a broken flat wootz bar/ingot all gotten from Artzi and I take a picture of that one also. ANN let me know what you want me to do as for as applying a compass on them,( I do have a supply of them! ) The bars/ingots have not be subjected to any magnetic fields by me. I am glad to have you at bat as you sure are one heavy hitter . Gene

2nd March 2005, 01:44 AM	#5
Mare Rosu Deceased Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: USA, DEEP SOUTH, GEORGIA, Y'all hear? Posts: 121	Wootz ingots magnetic properties JENS Is this the type of wootz ingot you were referring to, the round one? Ann you can have both wootz ingots for your testing if you want them, no string attached. and they are here in the USA ( some think Georgia is not however in the USA. but it is ) As you can tell from the pictures that the wootz ingots are neutral with no magnetic fields as all the compasses are pointing North. B.I. I thought that JENS was the mind reader of the forum. Your comment about blowing up things. When I left my old Laboratory position and took the chief Health Physic position at a Nuclear Power Plant, my old Plant Manager told my replacement that " if Gene hasn't blown up he lab by now it will never be blown up", and that sir is the truth! So you also have the mind reading ability! Gene Attached Images Last edited by Mare Rosu; 2nd March 2005 at 02:40 PM.

2nd March 2005, 02:11 AM	#6
Mare Rosu Deceased Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: USA, DEEP SOUTH, GEORGIA, Y'all hear? Posts: 121	Technical writing JIM Way off the subject of this thread however your comment to Ann about her great writing skills reminded me of a time a long ago when I was involved in helping write a paper on the Nuclear water chemistry at a Nuclear Power plant. The words that I used were not acceptable, reason was that the paper had to be written to the most knowledgeable person in the field and had to be written "over his head", all for impression sake and not to convey any information/knowledge to the lay public. Ann has the ability to convey information to us dummies ( me that is) and I thank her as well as you for it, you also have the ability to not only convey information in understandable terms but to also smooth the feathers of the forum folks from time to time. Will be back on subject matter when I return from taking my wife to the SEC woman's basketball tournment. Be back next week Gene

1st March 2005, 04:27 PM	#1
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Gene, you really had me laugh aloud, I guess that you did not get a discount price, since you had to buy them in two different stores – if you ‘only’ buy two or three compasses a one store, it is harder to discuss the price – although I think a camel dealer would have . Ann, would it be possible for you to show a picture of one of the ingots? If it looks like I think, it is like round bread, being thinker in the middle. Would that not make a difference when trying to make them magnetic? Also, if the ingot is round, how would the magnetism be at the ‘sides’? Would it not be different if it is longish ? Jens

1st March 2005, 05:53 PM	#3
B.I Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 485	this post is way over my head, but am enjoying the non-participating observation. dr ann, its great to have someone of your knowledge and passion on board. i am assuming from your article, knowledge and background that your doctrate is related to your current studies. the only reason i ask, is that i have this knee problem in cold weathers.... gene, you dont fail to bowl us over with your ingenuity. not sure what you'll come up with next, but will hide in case there are explosions. well done jens, for starting and carrying this discussion. i still havent got a clue whats going on but its all fun!

1st March 2005, 10:02 PM	#4
Ann Feuerbach Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 133	I do not have the ingot...they are in Germany, I think. I was just wondering if they had any natural polarity or magnetic properties. My friend is willing to test them. As I have mentioned before, I have not done any research on this so my knowledge of magnets etc is very limited (for the moment at least). Depending where they were made, the ingots can range from light bulb shaped, to cone shaped, to elongated, to egg like, to puck shaped. Depends on the crucibles interior shape. Technically my Doctorate is in Archaeometallurgy (the study of ancient metals, yes...obscure). PhD was titled: Crucible Steel in Central Asia: Production, use and origins. So I have been working on the topic for a while, but there is still so much to learn! But I really am more of an Archaeological Scientist, as I also do conservation, glass, glazes, and ceramics...but all this inorganic stuff is the same to me. I don't do bones, so can't help with that knee . I wish I had the money of a medical doctor! I got the same student loan debts as one!