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delor · 1st March 2005, 01:50 PM

Hello Mike,

the spine goes from 3mm width to 0.3 mm at the point, with a thinner edge, and it is sharp. Total length 39.5 cm, blade length 21 cm.

I'm glad to see that this "dagger" looks quite unusual for you too ! By the way thanks a lot to everyone, this is a very interesting discussion !

Regards,
Bernard

Conogre · 1st March 2005, 05:25 PM

This last bit of information probably takes it out of the paper knife/letter opener category then, to the point that I'm beginning to think that you have a very nice and unusual jambya there, although I still think it probably has a Morocco origin.....if the blade is sharp on the top edge only back to the "angle" this would tend to support the real weapon probability/possibility, although it wouldn't be an absolute necessity and after reading the hilt descriptions I'm beginning to suspect that it's silver sheet or silvered brass applied flyssa fashion over a wooden core.
If so that would make the ricasso/ferule area more understandable too.
Definitely strange enough to fit in with my "lost boys" as I tend to think of the unusual variants/reincarnated captures, with the sad part being that so many collectors insist that weapons need to be EXACTLY like a known stereotype/prototype......this seems particularly strange and sad to me in cases where there is little information on the known originals or else the type is known from a very few examples as many truly valuable and rare weapons are probably consigned to the novelty/tourist/fake categories, thus little valued and often destroyed or lost to history/posterity.
Mike

tom hyle · 2nd March 2005, 01:38 PM

Now, Mike, you know very well that if it isn't just like the one in the book it simply must be a fake

Ha ha!
Actually, Conogre and I are on the same page here; I can't tell you how many collectors and dealers I've encountered who say "I don't know what this is; I've never seen anything like it" as an expression of disinterest, while I say it with wonder.
One guy told me that about a Collins 1005 while he had 3 others under his counter about 7 feet away for $140 each

"I don't know what this is...." was his excuse to try to get it off me cheaty-cheap.

Andrew · 2nd March 2005, 02:52 PM

I wonder if this knife deserves entry into the famous "steaknives of the world"?

1st March 2005, 01:50 PM	#1
delor Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Marseille - France Posts: 73	Hello Mike, the spine goes from 3mm width to 0.3 mm at the point, with a thinner edge, and it is sharp. Total length 39.5 cm, blade length 21 cm. I'm glad to see that this "dagger" looks quite unusual for you too ! By the way thanks a lot to everyone, this is a very interesting discussion ! Regards, Bernard

1st March 2005, 05:25 PM	#2
Conogre Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Clearwater, Florida Posts: 371	This last bit of information probably takes it out of the paper knife/letter opener category then, to the point that I'm beginning to think that you have a very nice and unusual jambya there, although I still think it probably has a Morocco origin.....if the blade is sharp on the top edge only back to the "angle" this would tend to support the real weapon probability/possibility, although it wouldn't be an absolute necessity and after reading the hilt descriptions I'm beginning to suspect that it's silver sheet or silvered brass applied flyssa fashion over a wooden core. If so that would make the ricasso/ferule area more understandable too. Definitely strange enough to fit in with my "lost boys" as I tend to think of the unusual variants/reincarnated captures, with the sad part being that so many collectors insist that weapons need to be EXACTLY like a known stereotype/prototype......this seems particularly strange and sad to me in cases where there is little information on the known originals or else the type is known from a very few examples as many truly valuable and rare weapons are probably consigned to the novelty/tourist/fake categories, thus little valued and often destroyed or lost to history/posterity. Mike

2nd March 2005, 01:38 PM	#3
tom hyle Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Houston, TX, USA Posts: 1,254	Now, Mike, you know very well that if it isn't just like the one in the book it simply must be a fake Ha ha! Actually, Conogre and I are on the same page here; I can't tell you how many collectors and dealers I've encountered who say "I don't know what this is; I've never seen anything like it" as an expression of disinterest, while I say it with wonder. One guy told me that about a Collins 1005 while he had 3 others under his counter about 7 feet away for $140 each "I don't know what this is...." was his excuse to try to get it off me cheaty-cheap.

2nd March 2005, 02:52 PM	#4
Andrew Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: USA Posts: 1,725	I wonder if this knife deserves entry into the famous "steaknives of the world"?