Dha and tying the baldric?

Oriental-Arms · 22nd May 2007, 02:41 PM

Actually it is a rather simple process. One needs about 4 meters of rope, depends on the size of the Dah, the required length of binding and the thickness of the rope. Just follow the steps below:

Step 1: Fold the rope at about third of its length to make a loop

Step 2: With the long leg of the rope, start binding upward

Step 3: After several binds, continue the binding below the loop

Step 4: Make several binds below the loop and again continue above the loop

Step 5: Pass the rope into the loop and pull tight

Step 6: Pull the short leg of the rope to tighten the loop

This complete the binding.

Binding the rope below and above the loop can be repeated several times or not needed at all, depends on the taste of the Dah owner.

Good luck

kronckew · 22nd May 2007, 03:12 PM

thanks,OA, that's basically how i did my 1st one, just not as many turns. i'd figured it out from jason's photos & was gonna try it for real & take some photos tonight. now i don't have to

yours turned out better than mine would have anyway.

the free ends could be tied in a reef knot (a granny knot will pull loose and a double overhand knot will be difficult to untie) to complete the loop, on my best dha (the scabbard bit i used a bunch of lark's head knots) i've macraméd it a bit so its a broader braided knot to distribute the weight over the shoulder. what is the traditional knot to join the ends?

the bitter ends i have served with a string whipping to keep them from unravelling - very similar to the main binding. (with rope or small line like these i generally cheat by dipping the end after whipping into a waterproof glue or varnish to ensure the whipping stays in place. the link shows alternate ways, which are more difficult on small stuff.)

these kinds of hitches have a lot of friction between the line & the scabbard and when tied nice & tight, there's no way the scabbard will pull loose so they don't really need to be nailed to the wood or anything....

Jason Anstey · 22nd May 2007, 05:15 PM

... I knew I had come to the right place!!!

Thanks very much for the help.

Cheers

Jason

Mark · 22nd May 2007, 05:57 PM

I have seen the ends tied in a reef knot, and in a simple loop knot (don't know the official name) - both ends taken together and looped around once, the ends put through the loop and pulled tight. Basically what you might do with the ends of a drawstring to give you something to grip. On fancier dha, the ends have tassels.

Mark · 22nd May 2007, 05:57 PM

Great photos, by the way, Artzi.

kronckew · 22nd May 2007, 07:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark

...and in a simple loop knot (don't know the official name) - both ends taken together and looped around once, the ends put through the loop and pulled tight. ...

the fancy knot i used was a carrick bend with double overhand knot ends as stoppers

the knot mark is referring to is

the one-sided overhand bend also know as the european death knot as it can slip under load.... another fancier knot is the diamond or lanyard knot

bends are knots used to join two lines, the knot used around the scabbard is a hitch. - a knot used to attach a line to a fixed object

googling or wikipedia search on bends and hitches brigs up lots of neat ideas for knotwork. some of the more decorative knots are much the same as some of the decorative rattan work on se asian scabbards and hilts.

Mark · 22nd May 2007, 07:38 PM

Great info! The second knot I was describing is a one-sided overhand bend.

Jason Anstey · 23rd May 2007, 01:47 AM

here is a pic showing the all cotton baldric selection, I purchased the red one and it is a nice dark red colour.

A further question, do you leave the tassles hanging or do they form some sort of loop? pics most appreciated.

THanks again

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ALEX · 23rd May 2007, 08:07 AM

Thanks to all for sharing the information and to Artzi for nice how-to pictures.
Since we're on a knot subject:-), does anyone know how to tie baldric on a sword with two suspension rings, such as Arabic Shamshir? I have a few already tied, but have no clear understanding on how it's done from scratch.

Mark · 23rd May 2007, 01:31 PM

The tassels just hang, with about an inch or two of cord between them and the knot (just enough to give them some play).

PUFF · 1st June 2007, 05:58 AM

Here 's some other styles... for Dahb.
http://www.konrakmeed.com/webboard/u...topic=1862&hl=

22nd May 2007, 02:41 PM	#1
Oriental-Arms Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Haifa, Israel Posts: 183	Tying baldric on the Dah scabbard Actually it is a rather simple process. One needs about 4 meters of rope, depends on the size of the Dah, the required length of binding and the thickness of the rope. Just follow the steps below: Step 1: Fold the rope at about third of its length to make a loop Step 2: With the long leg of the rope, start binding upward Step 3: After several binds, continue the binding below the loop Step 4: Make several binds below the loop and again continue above the loop Step 5: Pass the rope into the loop and pull tight Step 6: Pull the short leg of the rope to tighten the loop This complete the binding. Binding the rope below and above the loop can be repeated several times or not needed at all, depends on the taste of the Dah owner. Good luck

22nd May 2007, 03:12 PM	#2
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,224	thanks,OA, that's basically how i did my 1st one, just not as many turns. i'd figured it out from jason's photos & was gonna try it for real & take some photos tonight. now i don't have to yours turned out better than mine would have anyway. the free ends could be tied in a reef knot (a granny knot will pull loose and a double overhand knot will be difficult to untie) to complete the loop, on my best dha (the scabbard bit i used a bunch of lark's head knots) i've macraméd it a bit so its a broader braided knot to distribute the weight over the shoulder. what is the traditional knot to join the ends? the bitter ends i have served with a string whipping to keep them from unravelling - very similar to the main binding. (with rope or small line like these i generally cheat by dipping the end after whipping into a waterproof glue or varnish to ensure the whipping stays in place. the link shows alternate ways, which are more difficult on small stuff.) these kinds of hitches have a lot of friction between the line & the scabbard and when tied nice & tight, there's no way the scabbard will pull loose so they don't really need to be nailed to the wood or anything.... Last edited by kronckew; 22nd May 2007 at 03:45 PM.

23rd May 2007, 01:47 AM	#8
Jason Anstey Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 102	here is a pic showing the all cotton baldric selection, I purchased the red one and it is a nice dark red colour. A further question, do you leave the tassles hanging or do they form some sort of loop? pics most appreciated. THanks again [IMG][/IMG]

22nd May 2007, 05:15 PM	#3
Jason Anstey Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 102	... I knew I had come to the right place!!! Thanks very much for the help. Cheers Jason

22nd May 2007, 05:57 PM	#4
Mark Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 987	I have seen the ends tied in a reef knot, and in a simple loop knot (don't know the official name) - both ends taken together and looped around once, the ends put through the loop and pulled tight. Basically what you might do with the ends of a drawstring to give you something to grip. On fancier dha, the ends have tassels.

22nd May 2007, 07:38 PM	#7
Mark Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 987	Great info! The second knot I was describing is a one-sided overhand bend.

23rd May 2007, 08:07 AM	#9
ALEX Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 936	Thanks to all for sharing the information and to Artzi for nice how-to pictures. Since we're on a knot subject:-), does anyone know how to tie baldric on a sword with two suspension rings, such as Arabic Shamshir? I have a few already tied, but have no clear understanding on how it's done from scratch.

23rd May 2007, 01:31 PM	#10
Mark Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 987	The tassels just hang, with about an inch or two of cord between them and the knot (just enough to give them some play).

1st June 2007, 05:58 AM	#11
PUFF Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 30 miles north of Bangkok, 20 miles south of Ayuthaya, Thailand Posts: 224	Here 's some other styles... for Dahb. http://www.konrakmeed.com/webboard/u...topic=1862&hl=