Keris hilts

Alam Shah · 18th May 2007, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by David

... Shahrial, ive got a pretty hi-res monitor at work and i think that the Sulawesi hilt on the right is probably ivory as well. It doesn't look like would on my screen.

Earlier, I was looking from office... on my LCD monitors. Now, looking from home, with my big CRT monitor, I agree with you David, it does look ivory especially the base and the texture.

Jonathan, I was a bit apprehensive at first, (because no country of origin). Now that I know whom I think you are, so you're finally here

. My old army buddy

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jonng · 18th May 2007, 06:43 PM

Thank you all for your warm welcome and reply.
I've been looking at my keris hilts for quite some time now and would like to establish a close approximate of their age and the meaning/ significance of the forms and motifs carved on them. I'll begin with the Sulawesi hilt. I know it's marine ivory but not sure if its from a dugong or a whale's tooth. How do you tell them apart? Appreciate your input.

Rick · 18th May 2007, 07:03 PM

Hi Jonathan, welcome.
Could you provide a shot of the base of the handle where the pesi enters?
I think that would be the only place that one could see any grain features.

jonng · 18th May 2007, 08:30 PM

Hi Rick,

Hope the pic helps. The grains/ lines are finer than those from a finger print.

DaveS · 18th May 2007, 09:06 PM

Suluwesi?????????????. Looks Madura to me!!!!!!!Dave.

Raden Usman Djogja · 18th May 2007, 09:35 PM

very detail. madurese?

Rick · 18th May 2007, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by jonng

Hi Rick,

Hope the pic helps. The grains/ lines are finer than those from a finger print.

Interesting stuff; it doesn't quite look like Elephant ivory to me.

BluErf · 19th May 2007, 01:29 AM

This is a Sulawesi hilt. Marine ivory. An unusually upright variant of this form:

http://www.kampungnet.com.sg/modules...view_photo.php

Motif is very very similar to the piece referenced above too. I can only propose that the uprightness is due to limitation in raw material, or to acommodate a very long peksi. Some Sulawesi keris look like they have imported Javanese blades (high quality ones) to me, so could be that the hilt was made to accommodate the long Javanese Peksi. There could be other reasons.

Marcokeris · 19th May 2007, 12:02 PM

Maybe i don't see well but it seems from elephant (for angle's grain)

18th May 2007, 06:43 PM	#2
jonng Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 41	Thank you all for your warm welcome and reply. I've been looking at my keris hilts for quite some time now and would like to establish a close approximate of their age and the meaning/ significance of the forms and motifs carved on them. I'll begin with the Sulawesi hilt. I know it's marine ivory but not sure if its from a dugong or a whale's tooth. How do you tell them apart? Appreciate your input. Attached Images

18th May 2007, 08:30 PM	#4
jonng Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 41	Hi Rick, Hope the pic helps. The grains/ lines are finer than those from a finger print. Attached Images

18th May 2007, 07:03 PM	#3
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,336	Hi Jonathan, welcome. Could you provide a shot of the base of the handle where the pesi enters? I think that would be the only place that one could see any grain features.

18th May 2007, 09:06 PM	#5
DaveS Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 327	Suluwesi?????????????. Looks Madura to me!!!!!!!Dave.

18th May 2007, 09:35 PM	#6
Raden Usman Djogja Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 199	very detail. madurese?

19th May 2007, 01:29 AM	#8
BluErf Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,180	This is a Sulawesi hilt. Marine ivory. An unusually upright variant of this form: http://www.kampungnet.com.sg/modules...view_photo.php Motif is very very similar to the piece referenced above too. I can only propose that the uprightness is due to limitation in raw material, or to acommodate a very long peksi. Some Sulawesi keris look like they have imported Javanese blades (high quality ones) to me, so could be that the hilt was made to accommodate the long Javanese Peksi. There could be other reasons.

19th May 2007, 12:02 PM	#9
Marcokeris Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Italy Posts: 928	Maybe i don't see well but it seems from elephant (for angle's grain)