North Indian axe?

Flavio · 10th May 2007, 12:54 PM

Congratulations Tim, very nice !!!!

Lew · 10th May 2007, 07:56 PM

Tim that is one sweet axe.

Congrats

Lew

Jens Nordlunde · 11th May 2007, 04:43 PM

Hi Tim,

In the book Memorial of the Jaipore Exhibition, 1883, by Th.H.Hendley, such an axe is shown. I did not have time to read the text and I don’t have the book, so I can’t help you further, other than saying it was classified as a battle axe.

Jens

Tim Simmons · 11th May 2007, 05:32 PM

Thanks Jens any accurate info is appreciated on these matters. I too am starting to question the general Khond attribution. In Tirri's book page 338 there is this zaghnal of the same construction. What I have read of the khond, these pieces do not strike me as fitting the wealth and technical abilities of an aboriginal minority. I know they do not exist in complete isolation, there would be tribal leaders and others that would represent thier communities at the courts of surrounding landlords. As a dress weapon they could be obtained by trade. Maybe a battle axe is the best thing to say. This form does not seem to be the most common. This is a picture of a tribesman a little further north than khond lands. He has what I would think is more apt.

Battara · 11th May 2007, 05:55 PM

No offense to Tirri, but I would not depend on him for accurate nomenclature, attribution, nor information. Pictures are good though.

Tim Simmons · 11th May 2007, 06:11 PM

Yes the pics are pretty good. One the other hand Elgood's Hindu arms has the tendency to leave great lumps of South India out of consideration altogether.

Tim Simmons · 11th May 2007, 06:45 PM

I wonder if these and other small axes from India may be more of a {for want of better words} civil weapon. Like a stout stick or staff. I cannot help making a comparison to herders axes from the 19th century in eastern Europe. In a time of no street lights or tarmac roads and no local police, small decorative weapons would be handy to have around. Not so much to use but the signals they send out. They do not handle as I would want in a real "battle" axe. I think these pictures say a lot. A travellers axe may be a good name.

tsubame1 · 15th May 2007, 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Battara

No offense to Tirri, but I would not depend on him for accurate nomenclature, attribution, nor information. Pictures are good though.

So it's just a pictorial book with no real usefulness as per the most
important features of weaponry you've quoted ?

Tim Simmons · 15th May 2007, 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tsubame1

So it's just a pictorial book with no real usefulness as per the most
important features of weaponry you've quoted ?

I think that is a bit strong, a list might be more apt.

11th May 2007, 05:32 PM	#4
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,855	Thanks Jens any accurate info is appreciated on these matters. I too am starting to question the general Khond attribution. In Tirri's book page 338 there is this zaghnal of the same construction. What I have read of the khond, these pieces do not strike me as fitting the wealth and technical abilities of an aboriginal minority. I know they do not exist in complete isolation, there would be tribal leaders and others that would represent thier communities at the courts of surrounding landlords. As a dress weapon they could be obtained by trade. Maybe a battle axe is the best thing to say. This form does not seem to be the most common. This is a picture of a tribesman a little further north than khond lands. He has what I would think is more apt. Attached Images Last edited by Tim Simmons; 11th May 2007 at 06:09 PM.

11th May 2007, 06:45 PM	#7
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,855	Perhaps even "battle axe" is a little strong? I wonder if these and other small axes from India may be more of a {for want of better words} civil weapon. Like a stout stick or staff. I cannot help making a comparison to herders axes from the 19th century in eastern Europe. In a time of no street lights or tarmac roads and no local police, small decorative weapons would be handy to have around. Not so much to use but the signals they send out. They do not handle as I would want in a real "battle" axe. I think these pictures say a lot. A travellers axe may be a good name.

10th May 2007, 12:54 PM	#1
Flavio Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Italia Posts: 1,243	Congratulations Tim, very nice !!!!

10th May 2007, 07:56 PM	#2
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	Tim that is one sweet axe. Congrats Lew

11th May 2007, 04:43 PM	#3
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Hi Tim, In the book Memorial of the Jaipore Exhibition, 1883, by Th.H.Hendley, such an axe is shown. I did not have time to read the text and I don’t have the book, so I can’t help you further, other than saying it was classified as a battle axe. Jens

11th May 2007, 05:55 PM	#5
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,280	No offense to Tirri, but I would not depend on him for accurate nomenclature, attribution, nor information. Pictures are good though.

11th May 2007, 06:11 PM	#6
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,855	Yes the pics are pretty good. One the other hand Elgood's Hindu arms has the tendency to leave great lumps of South India out of consideration altogether.