De Kris

ganjawulung · 7th May 2007, 06:41 PM

Thank you David,

Not many Indonesians have original books like De Kris, The World of The Javanese Kris, Gronemann (it has been translated in Indonesian, by an Indonesian scholar who had studied in Germany) and of course the dutch book of Jaspers and Pirngadie.

I always appreciate whatever people outside Indonesia wrote, write or will write about Indonesian Kris. Someone had sent me in the past, a copy of an article in Finnish (or Danish?) with picture of kris in a Rembrandt painting. Phantastic! I appreciate this forum too. Because many Indonesian nowadays, don't even have little knowledge on kris, their own identity... Unfortunately.

I appreciate people like Alan G Massey, one who has encouraged Indonesian contemporary-empu like Yantono or other Solonese kris maker (Yanto, maybe Kamdi etc). I remember too, people like Dietrich Drescher or the German anthropolog Achim Weichrauch who got doctorate (of kris?) from Basel University... Dietrich has made an important experiment on Cilacap sands (to prove old pamor material). And of course people like you, David, Rick and all..

Viva Indonesian Kris...

ganjawulung · 8th May 2007, 12:23 AM

Correction, please..

I am sorry, Alan, for mispelling your name. I should have written Alan G Maisey. Sorry for that mistake...

A. G. Maisey · 8th May 2007, 04:21 AM

No problem ganja.

Its a bit of an unusual name, and people often get it wrong.I've learnt to live with it.

Marcokeris · 8th May 2007, 03:38 PM

Welcome Ganja!!
About the Pirmgadie's book I think is easier to find this book in Indonesia istead of Europe where the prize is fearful.

If you want, you can search all the three Tammens' books at this italian site (but the prize is rather hight) "www.preliber.com"

About keris book do you know how is possible to find an indonesian book written by Marlupi on lombok keris?

ganjawulung · 9th May 2007, 04:55 AM

Thank you Marco,

I will try to get the three volumes of the "classic" Tammens via internet. Pirngadie, I wish I could get the original one (ones). But hardly I can get them. About Lombok book, is it the book written by Pak Lalu Djelenga? I bought it one in a keris pameran (exhibition) in Bentara Budaya Jakarta last year. But unfortunately, someone had borrowed it and never came back again. It is limited edition, and not in good printing.

Like any other Indonesian book on keris, the Lombok book is not as systematic as Tammens' book, or even Solyom and Bronwen's. Anyway I will try to contact my friend in Lombok, to get books on Lombok kerises. I will contact you later, Marco.

ganjawulung · 9th May 2007, 07:18 AM

Dear Marco,

I've contacted my friend in Lombok, and he will send me two copies of Pak Lalu Djelenga books (original). And he will try to find Marlupi's books tomorrow. I've read in Van Duuren's book (Krisses, a Critical Bibliography) that the book you mean to have is: "Bentuk dan Gaya Keris Nusa Tenggara Barat" (The Form and Style of West Nusa Tenggara Kerises), published by Museum Negeri (State Museum) Nusa Tenggara Barat 1995. Written by Herman VJ and Marlupi S. Is it right? Hopefully I will get the other book too, soon..

Marcokeris · 9th May 2007, 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ganjawulung

Dear Marco,

I've contacted my friend in Lombok, and he will send me two copies of Pak Lalu Djelenga books (original). And he will try to find Marlupi's books tomorrow. I've read in Van Duuren's book (Krisses, a Critical Bibliography) that the book you mean to have is: "Bentuk dan Gaya Keris Nusa Tenggara Barat" (The Form and Style of West Nusa Tenggara Kerises), published by Museum Negeri (State Museum) Nusa Tenggara Barat 1995. Written by Herman VJ and Marlupi S. Is it right? Hopefully I will get the other book too, soon..

Yes Ganja: "Bentuk dan gaya keris....." is the book that I'm looking for.
About Djelenga book I bought the book in Yogya some two years ago.

7th May 2007, 06:41 PM	#1
ganjawulung Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: J a k a r t a Posts: 991	Thank you David, Not many Indonesians have original books like De Kris, The World of The Javanese Kris, Gronemann (it has been translated in Indonesian, by an Indonesian scholar who had studied in Germany) and of course the dutch book of Jaspers and Pirngadie. I always appreciate whatever people outside Indonesia wrote, write or will write about Indonesian Kris. Someone had sent me in the past, a copy of an article in Finnish (or Danish?) with picture of kris in a Rembrandt painting. Phantastic! I appreciate this forum too. Because many Indonesian nowadays, don't even have little knowledge on kris, their own identity... Unfortunately. I appreciate people like Alan G Massey, one who has encouraged Indonesian contemporary-empu like Yantono or other Solonese kris maker (Yanto, maybe Kamdi etc). I remember too, people like Dietrich Drescher or the German anthropolog Achim Weichrauch who got doctorate (of kris?) from Basel University... Dietrich has made an important experiment on Cilacap sands (to prove old pamor material). And of course people like you, David, Rick and all.. Viva Indonesian Kris...

8th May 2007, 12:23 AM	#2
ganjawulung Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: J a k a r t a Posts: 991	Correction, please.. I am sorry, Alan, for mispelling your name. I should have written Alan G Maisey. Sorry for that mistake...

8th May 2007, 04:21 AM	#3
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,017	No problem ganja. Its a bit of an unusual name, and people often get it wrong.I've learnt to live with it.

8th May 2007, 03:38 PM	#4
Marcokeris Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Italy Posts: 928	Welcome Ganja!! About the Pirmgadie's book I think is easier to find this book in Indonesia istead of Europe where the prize is fearful. If you want, you can search all the three Tammens' books at this italian site (but the prize is rather hight) "www.preliber.com" About keris book do you know how is possible to find an indonesian book written by Marlupi on lombok keris?

9th May 2007, 04:55 AM	#5
ganjawulung Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: J a k a r t a Posts: 991	Thank you Marco, I will try to get the three volumes of the "classic" Tammens via internet. Pirngadie, I wish I could get the original one (ones). But hardly I can get them. About Lombok book, is it the book written by Pak Lalu Djelenga? I bought it one in a keris pameran (exhibition) in Bentara Budaya Jakarta last year. But unfortunately, someone had borrowed it and never came back again. It is limited edition, and not in good printing. Like any other Indonesian book on keris, the Lombok book is not as systematic as Tammens' book, or even Solyom and Bronwen's. Anyway I will try to contact my friend in Lombok, to get books on Lombok kerises. I will contact you later, Marco.

9th May 2007, 07:18 AM	#6
ganjawulung Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: J a k a r t a Posts: 991	Dear Marco, I've contacted my friend in Lombok, and he will send me two copies of Pak Lalu Djelenga books (original). And he will try to find Marlupi's books tomorrow. I've read in Van Duuren's book (Krisses, a Critical Bibliography) that the book you mean to have is: "Bentuk dan Gaya Keris Nusa Tenggara Barat" (The Form and Style of West Nusa Tenggara Kerises), published by Museum Negeri (State Museum) Nusa Tenggara Barat 1995. Written by Herman VJ and Marlupi S. Is it right? Hopefully I will get the other book too, soon..