Is this a Javanese keris blade?

BluErf · 27th February 2005, 03:17 PM

I don't think its a megantara. That's supposed to have 7 luks isnt it? Plus, isn't it supposed to have a kembang kacang or pogok? It doesn't have the central fuller. This keris has a similar outline with megantara, I feel.

What about the 'c' in the gandik?

Mans · 27th February 2005, 04:57 PM

I think,
Megantara not just has 7 luks. It can be 5 or 9. The Ensiklopedia just give a one (Luk 7) of several kind Luks of keris with dapur Megantara.

Dapur of javanese keris not too exactly same with shown at Ensiklopedia Keris. Perhaps, many dapur of Javanese keris can't be identified till now.
Or..., some of piece looks like different, but it appear a same dapur.
For example, Keris with dapur Panji Pengantin (Ensiklopedia Keris p:348), try to looking at appendix which shown a Panji Pengantin keris, but it has a different Kembang Kacang

Btw, would you please post some close up photos at sorsoran and bottop of gonjo, so that we can look with clear at "C" (Jawa : Kruwingan) at Gandik ?

regards,
Mans.

rasdan · 28th February 2005, 05:36 AM

Perhaps this is the empu's exam results (before he started working on the piece):

Proportion = A
Forging = A
Garap = C ...d'oh!!

Just kidding Blu. A very nice piece u got there. Looks like panji pengantin to me.

BluErf · 1st March 2005, 02:03 PM

Ok, here's the close-up. The keris is a lot sturdier than typical Javanese blades and is tempered half-way through. The metal feels more typical of S. Sumatran kerises too.

Justin · 1st March 2005, 04:10 PM

Im far from a keris expert but my general impression is that it is peninsular or possibly Balinese.The overall design of the blade just doesnt look Javanese to me.

Alam Shah · 1st March 2005, 05:05 PM

I don't think it's a Megantara or dapur Panji Pengantin.

The nearest match is Dapur Anoman Luk 5 (Ensiklopedi Keris p:73) minus the kembang kacang. This does not explain the 'c' shape, however.

I noticed that your pendokok is fitted with a Pattani style, pierced Malacca cup (in silver). Very nice...

Mans · 1st March 2005, 07:09 PM

hi all,

.... Just try to compare type of "Gonjo", "Greneng", "Tikel Alis" and Metal between my Megantara and BluErf. The shape of gonjo called Gonjo Kelap Lintah. Many gonjo like this made from Majapahit to Mataram Senopaten period (for an old keris).

> Style of Tikel Alis and Sogokan similiar with Majapahit or Sedayu keris;
> Style of Greneng looks like a Majapahit keris;
> Style of Gonjo took a characteristic from Majapahit keris;
> The metal looks like a Javanese keris with wos wutah pamored, but because BluErf posted keris which no warangan, so that it looks like different with Javanese keris. Similiar like a Sumateran keris. But, I don't think so;
> If I look closer, the "C" is too sharp, diffrent with the Greneng which look threadbare. But, I think it is an original.

So, without C, both of these keris looks like similiar. I think it is a Javanese keris

But who knows, because I just try to give more opinion by comparing with another same piece and still try to learn more about Javanese keris.

Same with what I said previously, your keris is an exotic, BluErf.

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To Alam Shah,
If you think that BluErf keris nearest match with Dapur Anoman Luk 5, I don't think so.
The Anoman (Hanuman) keris have Sogokan from bottom (Sorsoran) to top of the blade and it has a Kembang Kacang. It have a different style Luks with Megantara or BluErf keris

.

Warmest Regards,
Mans.

Mans · 1st March 2005, 07:12 PM

Megantara Pudhak Sategal tangguh Pajang

Any Idea ?

1st March 2005, 02:03 PM	#4
BluErf Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,180	Ok, here's the close-up. The keris is a lot sturdier than typical Javanese blades and is tempered half-way through. The metal feels more typical of S. Sumatran kerises too. Attached Images

1st March 2005, 05:05 PM	#6
Alam Shah Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,248	Opinion... I don't think it's a Megantara or dapur Panji Pengantin. The nearest match is Dapur Anoman Luk 5 (Ensiklopedi Keris p:73) minus the kembang kacang. This does not explain the 'c' shape, however. I noticed that your pendokok is fitted with a Pattani style, pierced Malacca cup (in silver). Very nice...

1st March 2005, 07:09 PM	#7
Mans Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: East Java Posts: 137	hi all, .... Just try to compare type of "Gonjo", "Greneng", "Tikel Alis" and Metal between my Megantara and BluErf. The shape of gonjo called Gonjo Kelap Lintah. Many gonjo like this made from Majapahit to Mataram Senopaten period (for an old keris). > Style of Tikel Alis and Sogokan similiar with Majapahit or Sedayu keris; > Style of Greneng looks like a Majapahit keris; > Style of Gonjo took a characteristic from Majapahit keris; > The metal looks like a Javanese keris with wos wutah pamored, but because BluErf posted keris which no warangan, so that it looks like different with Javanese keris. Similiar like a Sumateran keris. But, I don't think so; > If I look closer, the "C" is too sharp, diffrent with the Greneng which look threadbare. But, I think it is an original. So, without C, both of these keris looks like similiar. I think it is a Javanese keris But who knows, because I just try to give more opinion by comparing with another same piece and still try to learn more about Javanese keris. Same with what I said previously, your keris is an exotic, BluErf. ------------- To Alam Shah, If you think that BluErf keris nearest match with Dapur Anoman Luk 5, I don't think so. The Anoman (Hanuman) keris have Sogokan from bottom (Sorsoran) to top of the blade and it has a Kembang Kacang. It have a different style Luks with Megantara or BluErf keris . Warmest Regards, Mans. Attached Images Last edited by Mans; 1st March 2005 at 07:23 PM.

1st March 2005, 07:12 PM	#8
Mans Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: East Java Posts: 137	Megantara Pudhak Sategal tangguh Pajang Any Idea ? Attached Images

27th February 2005, 03:17 PM	#1
BluErf Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,180	I don't think its a megantara. That's supposed to have 7 luks isnt it? Plus, isn't it supposed to have a kembang kacang or pogok? It doesn't have the central fuller. This keris has a similar outline with megantara, I feel. What about the 'c' in the gandik?

27th February 2005, 04:57 PM	#2
Mans Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: East Java Posts: 137	I think, Megantara not just has 7 luks. It can be 5 or 9. The Ensiklopedia just give a one (Luk 7) of several kind Luks of keris with dapur Megantara. Dapur of javanese keris not too exactly same with shown at Ensiklopedia Keris. Perhaps, many dapur of Javanese keris can't be identified till now. Or..., some of piece looks like different, but it appear a same dapur. For example, Keris with dapur Panji Pengantin (Ensiklopedia Keris p:348), try to looking at appendix which shown a Panji Pengantin keris, but it has a different Kembang Kacang Btw, would you please post some close up photos at sorsoran and bottop of gonjo, so that we can look with clear at "C" (Jawa : Kruwingan) at Gandik ? regards, Mans.

28th February 2005, 05:36 AM	#3
rasdan Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kuala Lumpur Posts: 369	Perhaps this is the empu's exam results (before he started working on the piece): Proportion = A Forging = A Garap = C ...d'oh!! Just kidding Blu. A very nice piece u got there. Looks like panji pengantin to me.

1st March 2005, 04:10 PM	#5
Justin Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 180	Im far from a keris expert but my general impression is that it is peninsular or possibly Balinese.The overall design of the blade just doesnt look Javanese to me.