Unusual Kampilan

VANDOO · 28th April 2007, 12:26 AM

MOST OF THE REALLY STRANGE WEAPONS I HAVE SEEN HAVE CAME FROM THAT AREA. THE MONSTER HEAD BOLO'S COME IN MANY FORMS, THERE HAVE BEEN SOME VERY INTERESTING KAMPILIANS SOME VERY FLAMBOYANT PIRAS AS WELL. THE EXAMPLES I HAVE SEEN WITH THE INTERLOCKING TURTLE SHELL HAVE BEEN MONSTER HEAD FORMS WHICH I AM ASSUMEING ARE VISAYAN AND I HAVE NOT SEEN THEM MADE ON MINDANAO. I AM SURE KRIS, BARONG, KAMPILIANS, PANABAS AND OTHER TYPICAL MORO FORMS OF WEAPONS HAVE CONTINUED PRODUCTION AFTER WW2 AND ARE STILL BEING PRODUCED IN MINDANAO TODAY. MINDANO SEEMS TO KEEP TO THE TRADITIONAL MORO FORMS OF CARVEING, INLAY (MOP) AND CONSTRUCTION. PANAY SEEMS TO HAVE EXPERIMENTED MORE AND HAS MODIFIED LOTS OF THEIR TRADITIONAL FORMS AS WELL AS INCORPORATING FEATURES AND TYPES FROM OTHER CULTURES AND AREAS.

I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THE HISTORY OF WEAPONS IN THE VISAYAN ISLANDS I HAVE BOUGHT A FEW MORE RECENT ITEMS SAID TO BE MADE ON PANAY. I ASSUME A LOT OF THE ISLANDS HAVE SENT MANY ITEMS TO MANILA TO SELL AND I AM SURE ITEMS ARE ALSO PRODUCED ON LUZON. UNFORTUNATELY THE FEW REFRENCES I HAVE MOSTLY DEAL WITH THE MORO WEAPONS SO A GOOD RESOURCE FOR THE HISTORY OF THE OTHER ISLANDS AND PEOPLES AND THE MANY FORMS OF WEAPONS THEY HAVE PRODUCED WOULD BE A VALUABLE REFRENCE.

I AM OF THE OLD SCHOOL OF THOUGHT AS FAR AS FIGURING OUT THE HISTORY OR ORIGINS OF A ITEM. MANY ITEMS ARE ONE OF A KIND AND MAY HAVE BEEN MADE UP BY A INDIVIDUAL NOT FOLLOWING HIS SOCIETYS TRADITION OR HIS INTREPRETATION OF SOME SWORD HE HAS SEEN OR PERHAPS A COMBINATION OF SEVERAL TYPES USING THE FEATURES HE LIKED MOST. IMAGINATION CAN PLAY A PART EVEN IN TRIBAL WEAPONS UNLESS THE LAWS AND TABOOS PREVENT IT. SO THESE ARE JUST MY OPINIONS BASED ON YEARS OF COLLECTING AND LOOKING AT WEAPONS NOT A PROFESSIONAL OPINION BASED ONLY ON REFRENCES WRITTEN BY THE EXPERTS. WHERE I DON'T HAVE SUCH REFRENCES OR THEY DON'T EXIST I JUST FIGURE IT OUT AS BEST I CAN AND PUT OUT THE POSSIBILITYS AND MY OPINION.

SO 1. I HAVEN'T SEEN THE INTERLOCKED TURTLE SHELL USED ON ANY WEAPONS OTHER THAN VISAYAN

2. I HAVE ONLY SEEN THAT FORM OF KAMPILIAN TIP ON BAGABO, TIBOLI AND VISIAN KAMPILIANS.

3. THE GAURD DOSEN'T LOOK LIKE MORO, TIBOLI OR BAGOBO WORK.

4. I HAVE SEEN THE LARGE TIGER BELLS ON TWO OTHER KAMPILIANS WHICH WERE MORO AND BAGOBO BUT THEY LOOKED LIKE LATER ADD ON'S TO ME. THE KAMPILIAN BEING DISCUSSED HERE LOOKS TO HAVE BEEN MADE FOR SOMETHING TO BE ATTACHED TO THE GAURD BUT IT MAY NOT HAVE BEEN BELLS ORIGINALLY. TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT IS ATTACHING THEM AND SEE IF IT LOOKS OLD AND ORIGINAL TO THE SWORD.

IN THE END ALL I CAN GIVE IS CONJECTURE

TO TRY AND FIND A LOST HISTORY OR PROVENENCE IS USUALLY IMPOSIBLE.

VANDOO · 28th April 2007, 04:01 AM

THE KAMPILIAN ABOVE IS A NON TYPICAL PANAY VERSION USING THE CURVED HORN AND I WOULD ESTIMATE MADE IN THE LAST 30 YEARS GIVE OR TAKE A FEW YEARS. HERE IS ANOTHER STRANGE KAMPILLIAN/ PARANG

USING HORN AND A STRANGE PIRA ALSO USING HORN. I HAVE BOUGHT A FEW SIMULAR ITEMS COMING OUT OF PANAY BUT I DON'T KNOW FOR SURE IF THEY ARE MADE THERE OR SHIPPED IN AND SOLD THERE

I CAN'T FIND PICTURES OF THE ONES I OWN PERSONALLY BUT WILL SEE IF I CAN ROUND THEM UP WHEN TIME ALLOWS.

Spunjer · 28th April 2007, 04:26 AM

i'm not sure about the distant past, barry, but having lived in panay (iloilo), i haven't heard of any industries regarding making 'fantasy' type swords. there's a town in janiuay (iloilo province) that is known for the binangons they produce, but these are normally agricultural type. as far as fantasy types that you see being sold on ebay and the antique district of ermita in manila nowadays, nine out of ten, it comes out of tugaya, lanao del sur, in mindanao, to the point that it's a known trade of the town. the last time i was in panay, the only extensive sword collection i saw was in the museum.

going back to carlos' example, i'm trying to figure out if the sword was brought back in 1993 or 1893... if it's the former then he got an ermita special ...

MaharlikaTimawa · 23rd December 2016, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by VANDOO

THE KAMPILIAN ABOVE IS A NON TYPICAL PANAY VERSION USING THE CURVED HORN AND I WOULD ESTIMATE MADE IN THE LAST 30 YEARS GIVE OR TAKE A FEW YEARS. HERE IS ANOTHER STRANGE KAMPILLIAN/ PARANG

USING HORN AND A STRANGE PIRA ALSO USING HORN. I HAVE BOUGHT A FEW SIMULAR ITEMS COMING OUT OF PANAY BUT I DON'T KNOW FOR SURE IF THEY ARE MADE THERE OR SHIPPED IN AND SOLD THERE

I CAN'T FIND PICTURES OF THE ONES I OWN PERSONALLY BUT WILL SEE IF I CAN ROUND THEM UP WHEN TIME ALLOWS.

The picture you posted in the bottom, what region did that kampilan come from? Mindinao?

VANDOO · 24th December 2016, 02:58 AM

IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY THE SELLER SAID PANAY I HAVE QUITE A WIDE RANGE OF PHILIPPINE SWORDS AND A SHIELD, SPEAR AND AX SET THAT WERE SAID TO HAVE COME FROM PANAY. I DON'T HAVE A CLUE AS TO WHY SELLERS SAY PANAY AS EVIDENTLY THEY HAVE NO REPUTATION FOR MAKING SWORDS THERE OR DEALING IN THEM IN THE PAST OR NOW. I HAVE NOT SEEN ANY LIKE THE TWO KAMPILIAN SWORDS AGAIN SO PERHAPS VERY FEW WERE MADE.

I HAVE SEEN QUITE A FEW OF THE PIRA AND EVEN HAVE ONE OF THEM SAID TO HAVE COME FROM PANAY. THE ONES I HAVE RANGE FROM WW2 TO PRESENT THE WW2 WERE MOSTLY BRING BACKS SOME EVEN HAVING PANAY WRITTEN OR SCRATCHED ON THEM. PERHAPS ANOTHER MEMBER MAY HAVE SEEN THESE UNUSUAL SWORDS AND CAN GIVE US AN IDEA AS TO WHERE, WHEN AND HOW RARE THEY MIGHT BE. AFTER ALL A ONE OF A KIND TOURIST ITEM IS RARE AND NOT A BAD ITEM TO HAVE IF ITS WELL MADE.

28th April 2007, 12:26 AM	#1
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	MOST OF THE REALLY STRANGE WEAPONS I HAVE SEEN HAVE CAME FROM THAT AREA. THE MONSTER HEAD BOLO'S COME IN MANY FORMS, THERE HAVE BEEN SOME VERY INTERESTING KAMPILIANS SOME VERY FLAMBOYANT PIRAS AS WELL. THE EXAMPLES I HAVE SEEN WITH THE INTERLOCKING TURTLE SHELL HAVE BEEN MONSTER HEAD FORMS WHICH I AM ASSUMEING ARE VISAYAN AND I HAVE NOT SEEN THEM MADE ON MINDANAO. I AM SURE KRIS, BARONG, KAMPILIANS, PANABAS AND OTHER TYPICAL MORO FORMS OF WEAPONS HAVE CONTINUED PRODUCTION AFTER WW2 AND ARE STILL BEING PRODUCED IN MINDANAO TODAY. MINDANO SEEMS TO KEEP TO THE TRADITIONAL MORO FORMS OF CARVEING, INLAY (MOP) AND CONSTRUCTION. PANAY SEEMS TO HAVE EXPERIMENTED MORE AND HAS MODIFIED LOTS OF THEIR TRADITIONAL FORMS AS WELL AS INCORPORATING FEATURES AND TYPES FROM OTHER CULTURES AND AREAS. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THE HISTORY OF WEAPONS IN THE VISAYAN ISLANDS I HAVE BOUGHT A FEW MORE RECENT ITEMS SAID TO BE MADE ON PANAY. I ASSUME A LOT OF THE ISLANDS HAVE SENT MANY ITEMS TO MANILA TO SELL AND I AM SURE ITEMS ARE ALSO PRODUCED ON LUZON. UNFORTUNATELY THE FEW REFRENCES I HAVE MOSTLY DEAL WITH THE MORO WEAPONS SO A GOOD RESOURCE FOR THE HISTORY OF THE OTHER ISLANDS AND PEOPLES AND THE MANY FORMS OF WEAPONS THEY HAVE PRODUCED WOULD BE A VALUABLE REFRENCE. I AM OF THE OLD SCHOOL OF THOUGHT AS FAR AS FIGURING OUT THE HISTORY OR ORIGINS OF A ITEM. MANY ITEMS ARE ONE OF A KIND AND MAY HAVE BEEN MADE UP BY A INDIVIDUAL NOT FOLLOWING HIS SOCIETYS TRADITION OR HIS INTREPRETATION OF SOME SWORD HE HAS SEEN OR PERHAPS A COMBINATION OF SEVERAL TYPES USING THE FEATURES HE LIKED MOST. IMAGINATION CAN PLAY A PART EVEN IN TRIBAL WEAPONS UNLESS THE LAWS AND TABOOS PREVENT IT. SO THESE ARE JUST MY OPINIONS BASED ON YEARS OF COLLECTING AND LOOKING AT WEAPONS NOT A PROFESSIONAL OPINION BASED ONLY ON REFRENCES WRITTEN BY THE EXPERTS. WHERE I DON'T HAVE SUCH REFRENCES OR THEY DON'T EXIST I JUST FIGURE IT OUT AS BEST I CAN AND PUT OUT THE POSSIBILITYS AND MY OPINION. SO 1. I HAVEN'T SEEN THE INTERLOCKED TURTLE SHELL USED ON ANY WEAPONS OTHER THAN VISAYAN 2. I HAVE ONLY SEEN THAT FORM OF KAMPILIAN TIP ON BAGABO, TIBOLI AND VISIAN KAMPILIANS. 3. THE GAURD DOSEN'T LOOK LIKE MORO, TIBOLI OR BAGOBO WORK. 4. I HAVE SEEN THE LARGE TIGER BELLS ON TWO OTHER KAMPILIANS WHICH WERE MORO AND BAGOBO BUT THEY LOOKED LIKE LATER ADD ON'S TO ME. THE KAMPILIAN BEING DISCUSSED HERE LOOKS TO HAVE BEEN MADE FOR SOMETHING TO BE ATTACHED TO THE GAURD BUT IT MAY NOT HAVE BEEN BELLS ORIGINALLY. TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT IS ATTACHING THEM AND SEE IF IT LOOKS OLD AND ORIGINAL TO THE SWORD. IN THE END ALL I CAN GIVE IS CONJECTURE TO TRY AND FIND A LOST HISTORY OR PROVENENCE IS USUALLY IMPOSIBLE. Attached Images Last edited by VANDOO; 28th April 2007 at 04:10 AM.

28th April 2007, 04:01 AM	#2
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	THE KAMPILIAN ABOVE IS A NON TYPICAL PANAY VERSION USING THE CURVED HORN AND I WOULD ESTIMATE MADE IN THE LAST 30 YEARS GIVE OR TAKE A FEW YEARS. HERE IS ANOTHER STRANGE KAMPILLIAN/ PARANG USING HORN AND A STRANGE PIRA ALSO USING HORN. I HAVE BOUGHT A FEW SIMULAR ITEMS COMING OUT OF PANAY BUT I DON'T KNOW FOR SURE IF THEY ARE MADE THERE OR SHIPPED IN AND SOLD THERE I CAN'T FIND PICTURES OF THE ONES I OWN PERSONALLY BUT WILL SEE IF I CAN ROUND THEM UP WHEN TIME ALLOWS. Attached Images

28th April 2007, 04:26 AM	#3
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	i'm not sure about the distant past, barry, but having lived in panay (iloilo), i haven't heard of any industries regarding making 'fantasy' type swords. there's a town in janiuay (iloilo province) that is known for the binangons they produce, but these are normally agricultural type. as far as fantasy types that you see being sold on ebay and the antique district of ermita in manila nowadays, nine out of ten, it comes out of tugaya, lanao del sur, in mindanao, to the point that it's a known trade of the town. the last time i was in panay, the only extensive sword collection i saw was in the museum. going back to carlos' example, i'm trying to figure out if the sword was brought back in 1993 or 1893... if it's the former then he got an ermita special ...

24th December 2016, 02:58 AM	#5
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY THE SELLER SAID PANAY I HAVE QUITE A WIDE RANGE OF PHILIPPINE SWORDS AND A SHIELD, SPEAR AND AX SET THAT WERE SAID TO HAVE COME FROM PANAY. I DON'T HAVE A CLUE AS TO WHY SELLERS SAY PANAY AS EVIDENTLY THEY HAVE NO REPUTATION FOR MAKING SWORDS THERE OR DEALING IN THEM IN THE PAST OR NOW. I HAVE NOT SEEN ANY LIKE THE TWO KAMPILIAN SWORDS AGAIN SO PERHAPS VERY FEW WERE MADE. I HAVE SEEN QUITE A FEW OF THE PIRA AND EVEN HAVE ONE OF THEM SAID TO HAVE COME FROM PANAY. THE ONES I HAVE RANGE FROM WW2 TO PRESENT THE WW2 WERE MOSTLY BRING BACKS SOME EVEN HAVING PANAY WRITTEN OR SCRATCHED ON THEM. PERHAPS ANOTHER MEMBER MAY HAVE SEEN THESE UNUSUAL SWORDS AND CAN GIVE US AN IDEA AS TO WHERE, WHEN AND HOW RARE THEY MIGHT BE. AFTER ALL A ONE OF A KIND TOURIST ITEM IS RARE AND NOT A BAD ITEM TO HAVE IF ITS WELL MADE.