new keris magazine

Alam Shah · 6th April 2007, 12:03 AM

Battara, tell you what... You'll buy the magazine for me and I'll translate it for you.

Rick · 6th April 2007, 01:16 PM

Do you take PayPal Shahrial .?

Alam Shah · 6th April 2007, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Rick

Do you take PayPal Shahrial .?

I believe I do.

But seriously, I need someone who could supply me with this and PAMOR magazine on a regular basis. Anyone?

A. G. Maisey · 7th April 2007, 04:48 AM

Over the last couple of weeks I have had the opportunity to read the three issues of PAMOR, and one issue of KERIS. I believe another issue of KERIS is out now, but I have not yet seen it.

KERIS is produced on lower quality paper than PAMOR, but there is a very considerable price difference in the two publications.

I'm going to sound like a wet blanket, and I would ask you all to bear in mind that what I shall now say is my personal opinion, and the opinions of others could well be different.

I would not buy either of these magazines on a regular basis. In the three issues of PAMOR I found only one article of interest, and that had some substance to it.

KERIS I leafed through , speed read the beginning of a couple of articles, and passed on the rest.

Both these magazines are the sort of thing that I would want to look through first before buying.

My recommendation would be to save your money and put it towards Haryono Haryoguritno's big book on keris, which is a true delight. Just the quality of it and the quality of photos and items photographed is sufficient to make you feel rich, even if you're not.

Alam Shah · 7th April 2007, 05:42 AM

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Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

... I would not buy either of these magazines on a regular basis. In the three issues of PAMOR I found only one article of interest, and that had some substance to it.

Both these magazines are the sort of thing that I would want to look through first before buying.

My recommendation would be to save your money and put it towards Haryono Haryoguritno's big book on keris, which is a true delight. Just the quality of it and the quality of photos and items photographed is sufficient to make you feel rich, even if you're not.

Hi Alan,

Thanks for the feedback. Personally, for PAMOR magazine, I found some of the articles interesting. Most are written in the mindset of the general javanese. Different views and beliefs which one might find interesting in itself.

For those of us whom already have Haryono's wonderful book, any others to recommend?

David · 7th April 2007, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

My recommendation would be to save your money and put it towards Haryono Haryoguritno's big book on keris, which is a true delight. Just the quality of it and the quality of photos and items photographed is sufficient to make you feel rich, even if you're not.

I have been very interested in this book since it was first mentioned in the very first post here on Keris Warang Kopi. At that time it was suggested that an English edition was in the works so i held off. Does anyone have any info on this? If it is not going to happen i would buy the Indonesian version, but if it then comes out in English...

I wouldn't want to buy this rather expensive book twice.

Alam Shah · 8th April 2007, 04:23 AM

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Originally Posted by David

... If it is not going to happen i would buy the Indonesian version, but if it then comes out in English... I wouldn't want to buy this rather expensive book twice.

If it's me... I'll buy the Indonesian version, first. When the English version comes out, sell the Indonesian version and buy the English version. You'll lose out on shipping cost, but intangibly would have a headstart in absorbing the knowledge... rather than waiting...

A. G. Maisey · 8th April 2007, 04:38 AM

A further comment on PAMOR.
There are lot of general interest articles, that, as Shahrial has said, could be of value in assisting with an understanding of present day cultural background, for somebody who has not had much contact with Javanese society and culture. From the point of view of a person who is a part of this culture, there would also be a lot of interest in this magazine.However, I feel that the more deeply any person was immersed in the specific culture of the keris, the less such a person might find to be of interest in PAMOR.

In any case, its a nicely produced magazine.

My comments reflect my personal opinion only, and since my particular field of interest in the keris is fairly tightly focussed, it is only to be expected that a magazine produced for a general readership will not have much in it to interest me.

I haven't heard anything about an English edition of The Big Keris Book, but I suppose it could happen I think the sponsor of the book is Bank Central Asia, so, I guess it will probably come down to whether they can see a commercial advantage in sponsoring an English language edition.

David, you comment that you do not want to buy this book twice. A number of my friends have had difficulty in even buying it once. They have repeatedly sent emails to the nominated sellers of the book, but it seems that none of these nominated sellers wish to engage in dealings with anybody outside Indonesia. The only reason I have a copy is because a friend gave me a copy. Even in Solo its not the easiest thing in the world to get a copy. You can't walk into a bookshop and buy one. You need to contact the local distributor, who seems to be pretty much unapproachable, and who needs to approached by way of a network of friendships.
I am coming to the opinion that this book was really only produced for consumption within Indonesia. I do not think that the people involved in its production really want to see it on the world stage. Which is a pity, because it really is a wonderful production. This is not to say it is without fault, and it has already been subjected to some criticism in Indonesia, but I myself would hesitate to criticise it simply because its magnificence far outweighs any carping criticism that might be able to be levelled at it.

Alam Shah · 30th April 2007, 12:37 AM

The April edition (No.2) of the KERIS magazine is out. In it, there are some Yogyakarta's Kraton (palace) pieces, with some commentary of the pieces.

The featured keris, Keris Tamansari is another one to behold and would make a nice discussion piece in the Golden Keris.

Other notes-worthy articles includes, a nice but short article about pamor beras wutah. The coverage of the burning-down of the Istana Pagaruyung (Minangkabau Palace), by a lightning strike on 27 Feb 2007, a lot of pusakas were lost that day,

and quite a number of other short articles.

Marco, I see that you've got your copy.

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Alam Shah Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,248	April Edition (No.2), KERIS magazine The April edition (No.2) of the KERIS magazine is out. In it, there are some Yogyakarta's Kraton (palace) pieces, with some commentary of the pieces. The featured keris, Keris Tamansari is another one to behold and would make a nice discussion piece in the Golden Keris. Other notes-worthy articles includes, a nice but short article about pamor beras wutah. The coverage of the burning-down of the Istana Pagaruyung (Minangkabau Palace), by a lightning strike on 27 Feb 2007, a lot of pusakas were lost that day, and quite a number of other short articles. Marco, I see that you've got your copy. Last edited by Alam Shah; 30th April 2007 at 01:06 PM. Reason: spelling

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Alam Shah Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,248	Battara, tell you what... You'll buy the magazine for me and I'll translate it for you.

7th April 2007, 04:48 AM	#4
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,992	Over the last couple of weeks I have had the opportunity to read the three issues of PAMOR, and one issue of KERIS. I believe another issue of KERIS is out now, but I have not yet seen it. KERIS is produced on lower quality paper than PAMOR, but there is a very considerable price difference in the two publications. I'm going to sound like a wet blanket, and I would ask you all to bear in mind that what I shall now say is my personal opinion, and the opinions of others could well be different. I would not buy either of these magazines on a regular basis. In the three issues of PAMOR I found only one article of interest, and that had some substance to it. KERIS I leafed through , speed read the beginning of a couple of articles, and passed on the rest. Both these magazines are the sort of thing that I would want to look through first before buying. My recommendation would be to save your money and put it towards Haryono Haryoguritno's big book on keris, which is a true delight. Just the quality of it and the quality of photos and items photographed is sufficient to make you feel rich, even if you're not.

8th April 2007, 04:38 AM	#8
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,992	A further comment on PAMOR. There are lot of general interest articles, that, as Shahrial has said, could be of value in assisting with an understanding of present day cultural background, for somebody who has not had much contact with Javanese society and culture. From the point of view of a person who is a part of this culture, there would also be a lot of interest in this magazine.However, I feel that the more deeply any person was immersed in the specific culture of the keris, the less such a person might find to be of interest in PAMOR. In any case, its a nicely produced magazine. My comments reflect my personal opinion only, and since my particular field of interest in the keris is fairly tightly focussed, it is only to be expected that a magazine produced for a general readership will not have much in it to interest me. I haven't heard anything about an English edition of The Big Keris Book, but I suppose it could happen I think the sponsor of the book is Bank Central Asia, so, I guess it will probably come down to whether they can see a commercial advantage in sponsoring an English language edition. David, you comment that you do not want to buy this book twice. A number of my friends have had difficulty in even buying it once. They have repeatedly sent emails to the nominated sellers of the book, but it seems that none of these nominated sellers wish to engage in dealings with anybody outside Indonesia. The only reason I have a copy is because a friend gave me a copy. Even in Solo its not the easiest thing in the world to get a copy. You can't walk into a bookshop and buy one. You need to contact the local distributor, who seems to be pretty much unapproachable, and who needs to approached by way of a network of friendships. I am coming to the opinion that this book was really only produced for consumption within Indonesia. I do not think that the people involved in its production really want to see it on the world stage. Which is a pity, because it really is a wonderful production. This is not to say it is without fault, and it has already been subjected to some criticism in Indonesia, but I myself would hesitate to criticise it simply because its magnificence far outweighs any carping criticism that might be able to be levelled at it.