Movies and Edged Weapons Pt. 2

Marc · 5th April 2007, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Manolo

The book by Arturo Perez Reverte was good, and I heard the movie was all right.

It kind of depends on who you ask...

The sword and dagger duels were fairly OK, though, given the circumstances.
The final battle... well, let's not go into that.

ariel · 5th April 2007, 01:20 PM

The only superb Perez Reverte's book was " The Club Dumas" and it was mangled cinematographically into something beyond awful.
"Flanders Panel" was good. " The Fencing Master" was very good.
But the Alatriste series.... very disappointing. Did not see the movies; are they "straight on DVD" releases?

Emanuel · 28th January 2008, 04:09 AM

Just saw a trailer for this Hindi epic http://www.jodhaaakbar.com/ a big period production about Akbar. Seems to have loads of tulwar action, fights between Rajputs and Mughals, along with the ubiquitous love story.
I'm looking forward to it.

ariel · 29th January 2008, 01:00 AM

I guess this is the first movie of the "marital bliss" for the leading couple.
Must be visually impressive; I just hope neither of them starts belting a song and a dance in the middle of a fighting sequence.
I guess that is what Indian audience demands, but if Bollywood wants to go international, they will have to get rid of this annoyance. Can you imagine Clint Eastwood and Richard Burton taking a break from slaughtering the Nazis in the middle of "Where Eagles Landed" and doing a love duet?

Emanuel · 29th January 2008, 01:05 AM

Check out the trailer on the website. I heard choruses in the background but those were probably just the trailer's score. I got the impression that the movie was pretty serious.

ariel · 29th January 2008, 01:18 AM

Hope you are right: I'll be the first one to Netflick it!
Say whatever you want, but, quoting Roger Ebers, Aishwariya Rai is not only the most beautiful woman in the world, but the second most beautiful as well.

Jeff D · 29th January 2008, 02:07 AM

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Originally Posted by ariel

Can you imagine Clint Eastwood and Richard Burton taking a break from slaughtering the Nazis in the middle of "Where Eagles Landed" and doing a love duet?

I thought they were just good friends!!!

Jeff

Emanuel · 19th February 2008, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ariel

I guess this is the first movie of the "marital bliss" for the leading couple. Must be visually impressive; I just hope neither of them starts belting a song and a dance in the middle of a fighting sequence.

I...er...saw the movie....yup they do the love duet. At least it's not in the fight sequences, which are quite weak. The fighting is poorly choreographed, lots of edge on edge sparing and western fencing, nothing remotely similar to gatka. The tulwars SUCK, they've got huge handles fit for the Governator, no other kinds of weapons - with the exception of one very quick shot of a jamadhar.
Basically it's one big love story, with lots of time spent in character development. Big dance and song sequences, although to be fair they're integrated in court festivities, not just popping out of the blue, and the tunes are energetic and catchy.
Pretty movie with a nice picture of Mughal and Rajput culture and art, and yes, a very beautiful Rai. Bad movie for weapons and battles.

HangPC2 · 21st February 2008, 10:36 AM

The Queen Of Langkasuka (2008)

David · 21st February 2008, 02:39 PM

Here's a trailer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ujKr-Y0Wz8
Says at the end that there will be a "worldwide release" so i hope that there will be an English subtitled version. Looks interesting and fun.

ariel · 21st February 2008, 06:37 PM

Very agricultural: 75 dead bodies per acre.
Looks good! Keep us informed about its availability.

Bill M · 22nd February 2008, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by HangPC2

The Queen Of Langkasuka (2008)

Looks Malay.

David · 22nd February 2008, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill Marsh

Looks Malay.

I believe it is Bill. Langkasuka was a kingdom which later became Pattani.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Langkasuka

blacklacrau · 22nd February 2008, 02:14 PM

Do u remenber Sandokan "The tiger of Mompracen" from Emilio Salgari ??
A story in borneo...

Lots of kris, parangs, daos...dayaks!

ThePepperSkull · 4th September 2009, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by HangPC2

The Queen Of Langkasuka (2008)

One thing that came to mind immediately when I saw the trailer for this was how there were a lot of malay/indonesian Keris daggers in the beginning of the trailer, and at the end we see stuntman-turned-leading actor Dan Chupong wielding a Moro or Bruneian-type kris sword.

was that just me or was he just holding a big keris as opposed to a kris?

Here is a pic featuring Dan Chupong in the centre, holding the weapon in question with his outstretched arm:

kronckew · 4th September 2009, 08:24 PM

was intrigued by the movie trailer, so i found a copy of the dvd with english subtitles, just finished watching it. not only were there lots of keris, but there were in fact many moro kris, complete with kakatua grips, horses hoof grips, baca-baca and all. the blade the head army guy used had an ivory kakatua grip, and a distinct central ridge. there were also quite a number of dyak swords amoungst the pirates, and even one interesting axe. looked like copper breastplates, some bronze spears and quite a few flintlocks. they even worked in leonardo style hang gliders, a neat form of chain shot and even some ninjas. japanese armour, plate suits, and a few more items of interest here. even the dragon mouthed cannon... most of the edged weapons looked like the real thing, at least in the quick glimpses. i think they must have had acess to a museum or an old armoury somewhere.

all in all a quite good film. you do need to get it with your languages subtitles if you do not speak the language.

migueldiaz · 21st October 2008, 04:14 AM

has braveheart been mentioned already?

earlier, bill posted an article on wallace's 6-pound and 5-foot sword leaving scotland for the first time.

migueldiaz · 23rd October 2008, 05:58 AM

I'd also highly recommend "Hero", an epic Chinese story.

The cinematography is superb, the sword fights are excellent, and the story that is full of twists and turns is very engaging.

David · 14th January 2009, 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by migueldiaz

I'd also highly recommend "Hero", an epic Chinese story.

The cinematography is superb, the sword fights are excellent, and the story that is full of twists and turns is very engaging.

Miguel. this was has been mentioned before as well, but thanks for posting all the photos.
I absolute LOVE this film, own it and have watched it many times.

Also mentioned before (but if you like Hero), by the same director Zhang Yimou, see House of Flying Daggers. I like this one even better.

kronckew · 31st October 2008, 11:17 AM

having been reading the kampilan thread ala bill marsh with interest, i happened to see Hollywood's 'thief of Baghdad' with Sabu, over the weekend.

there is a point where he opens a bottle, gets the traditional genie & three wishes, he then gets flown to the top of the tallest peak in the top of the world to steal the 'all-seeing eye' from a temple idol.

after arrival, he liberates a sword from a long dead skeleton, all covered in cob-webs ('conan' plagiarism?) as he cleaned off the web, it becomes obvious it's a kampilan, complete with traditional hilt wound in rattan, sinuous metal staple on one side, crocodile beak blade, etc. he then climbs the idol, and a giant spiders web with the kampilan between his teeth, kills the giant spider & unfortunately drops the sword never to be seen again....

there of course were the more common shamshir and daggers throughout.

not bad for a sixty-odd year old movie.

migueldiaz · 31st October 2008, 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kronckew

... having been reading the kampilan thread ala bill marsh with interest, i happened to see Hollywood's 'thief of Baghdad' with Sabu, over the weekend ... after arrival, he liberates a sword from a long dead skeleton, all covered in cob-webs ('conan' plagiarism?) as he cleaned off the web, it becomes obvious it's a kampilan, complete with traditional hilt wound in rattan, sinuous metal staple on one side, crocodile beak blade, etc.

Thanks Kronckew.

Being a Filipino that is struck with kampilan-philia, I need to see that movie!

Also, the kampilan's appearance in that movie was mentioned earlier --

ruel
Senior Member posted 06-25-2004 04:48

Thief of Bagdad (1949): Kampilan, tachi, firangi, yataghan. Don't believe me? Go ahead, watch it...

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tom hyle
Senior Member posted 06-25-2004 09:10

... Theif of Baghdad seems to feature some "real" weapons ... "Theif" contains one of the instances of holding a kampilan backward, which seems like it'd be obvious with a real sword ...

Thanks again Kronckew

kronckew · 31st October 2008, 11:52 PM

i shall assume they got the date wrong then and they referred to the sabu version, as the sabu version was apparently 1940. , ruel's 1949 date of their post (and tom's spelling of thief) threw me off - there have been a number of versions

while sabu carried the kampilan upside down for a while (edge up), when he was actually using it, cutting at the spider, and later when he cut it's suspension thread, he held it correctly, striking with the edge, not the back of the blade, i looked carefully

he also carried it in his mouth edge out as he apparently didn't want to cut himself

the kampilan in the movie was similar to the above, which is edge down, and the angled fork of the grip up when held, tho some kampilans in modern repos have the angled fork also down, as below.

(images from google image search)

migueldiaz · 2nd November 2008, 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kronckew

the kampilan in the movie was similar to the above, which is edge down, and the angled fork of the grip up when held, tho some kampilans in modern repos have the angled fork also down, as below.

thanks kronckew!

in the meantime that i haven't seen the movie yet, i was wondering what type it was they used. so thanks for posting the above image.

regards.

Bill M · 14th January 2009, 02:03 AM

Mongol (2007)

WOW! Swords, spears, shields. Wonderful movie!

29th January 2008, 01:18 AM	#6
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Hope you are right: I'll be the first one to Netflick it! Say whatever you want, but, quoting Roger Ebers, Aishwariya Rai is not only the most beautiful woman in the world, but the second most beautiful as well. Last edited by ariel; 29th January 2008 at 01:40 AM.

22nd February 2008, 02:14 PM	#14
blacklacrau Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Portugal Posts: 50	Sandokan Do u remenber Sandokan "The tiger of Mompracen" from Emilio Salgari ?? A story in borneo... Lots of kris, parangs, daos...dayaks! Attached Images

21st October 2008, 04:14 AM	#17
migueldiaz Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Manila, Phils. Posts: 1,042	has braveheart been mentioned already? earlier, bill posted an article on wallace's 6-pound and 5-foot sword leaving scotland for the first time. Attached Images

23rd October 2008, 05:58 AM	#18
migueldiaz Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Manila, Phils. Posts: 1,042	I'd also highly recommend "Hero", an epic Chinese story. The cinematography is superb, the sword fights are excellent, and the story that is full of twists and turns is very engaging. Attached Images

31st October 2008, 11:52 PM	#22
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,215	i shall assume they got the date wrong then and they referred to the sabu version, as the sabu version was apparently 1940. , ruel's 1949 date of their post (and tom's spelling of thief) threw me off - there have been a number of versions while sabu carried the kampilan upside down for a while (edge up), when he was actually using it, cutting at the spider, and later when he cut it's suspension thread, he held it correctly, striking with the edge, not the back of the blade, i looked carefully he also carried it in his mouth edge out as he apparently didn't want to cut himself the kampilan in the movie was similar to the above, which is edge down, and the angled fork of the grip up when held, tho some kampilans in modern repos have the angled fork also down, as below. (images from google image search) Last edited by kronckew; 1st November 2008 at 12:19 AM.

5th April 2007, 01:20 PM	#2
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	The only superb Perez Reverte's book was " The Club Dumas" and it was mangled cinematographically into something beyond awful. "Flanders Panel" was good. " The Fencing Master" was very good. But the Alatriste series.... very disappointing. Did not see the movies; are they "straight on DVD" releases?

28th January 2008, 04:09 AM	#3
Emanuel Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,242	Just saw a trailer for this Hindi epic http://www.jodhaaakbar.com/ a big period production about Akbar. Seems to have loads of tulwar action, fights between Rajputs and Mughals, along with the ubiquitous love story. I'm looking forward to it.

29th January 2008, 01:00 AM	#4
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	I guess this is the first movie of the "marital bliss" for the leading couple. Must be visually impressive; I just hope neither of them starts belting a song and a dance in the middle of a fighting sequence. I guess that is what Indian audience demands, but if Bollywood wants to go international, they will have to get rid of this annoyance. Can you imagine Clint Eastwood and Richard Burton taking a break from slaughtering the Nazis in the middle of "Where Eagles Landed" and doing a love duet?

29th January 2008, 01:05 AM	#5
Emanuel Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,242	Check out the trailer on the website. I heard choruses in the background but those were probably just the trailer's score. I got the impression that the movie was pretty serious.

21st February 2008, 10:36 AM	#9
HangPC2 Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Malaysia Posts: 66	The Queen Of Langkasuka (2008)

21st February 2008, 02:39 PM	#10
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,211	Here's a trailer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ujKr-Y0Wz8 Says at the end that there will be a "worldwide release" so i hope that there will be an English subtitled version. Looks interesting and fun.

21st February 2008, 06:37 PM	#11
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Very agricultural: 75 dead bodies per acre. Looks good! Keep us informed about its availability.

4th September 2009, 08:24 PM	#16
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,215	was intrigued by the movie trailer, so i found a copy of the dvd with english subtitles, just finished watching it. not only were there lots of keris, but there were in fact many moro kris, complete with kakatua grips, horses hoof grips, baca-baca and all. the blade the head army guy used had an ivory kakatua grip, and a distinct central ridge. there were also quite a number of dyak swords amoungst the pirates, and even one interesting axe. looked like copper breastplates, some bronze spears and quite a few flintlocks. they even worked in leonardo style hang gliders, a neat form of chain shot and even some ninjas. japanese armour, plate suits, and a few more items of interest here. even the dragon mouthed cannon... most of the edged weapons looked like the real thing, at least in the quick glimpses. i think they must have had acess to a museum or an old armoury somewhere. all in all a quite good film. you do need to get it with your languages subtitles if you do not speak the language.

31st October 2008, 11:17 AM	#20
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,215	having been reading the kampilan thread ala bill marsh with interest, i happened to see Hollywood's 'thief of Baghdad' with Sabu, over the weekend. there is a point where he opens a bottle, gets the traditional genie & three wishes, he then gets flown to the top of the tallest peak in the top of the world to steal the 'all-seeing eye' from a temple idol. after arrival, he liberates a sword from a long dead skeleton, all covered in cob-webs ('conan' plagiarism?) as he cleaned off the web, it becomes obvious it's a kampilan, complete with traditional hilt wound in rattan, sinuous metal staple on one side, crocodile beak blade, etc. he then climbs the idol, and a giant spiders web with the kampilan between his teeth, kills the giant spider & unfortunately drops the sword never to be seen again.... there of course were the more common shamshir and daggers throughout. not bad for a sixty-odd year old movie.

14th January 2009, 02:03 AM	#24
Bill M Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: USA Georgia Posts: 1,599	Mongol (2007) WOW! Swords, spears, shields. Wonderful movie!