beer for warung kopi

BluErf · 4th April 2007, 05:15 PM

But the kris is not an exclusively Islamic weapon. It has a huge influence on it for sure, but we must also recognize where the rashaksa hilt on the keris in the poster came from.

David · 4th April 2007, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by BluErf

But the kris is not an exclusively Islamic weapon. It has a huge influence on it for sure, but we must also recognize where the rashaksa hilt on the keris in the poster came from.

Well obviously Kai Wee, there is both Hindu and animistic influences for sure, but isn't Indonesia considered for the most part (though not officially) to be an Islamic state?
So what you are saying then is that raksasa were a bunch of beer swigging pagan demons?

A. G. Maisey · 5th April 2007, 04:13 AM

It might be a wee bit difficult to try to understand the keris in a modern Indonesian context, as opposed to a traditional Javanese context, and Islam as it is practiced in Jawa as opposed to the Islam, as practiced, in, say Saudi Arabia.

Too often explanations for attitudes are looked for in a dominant religion, when in fact the explanations are cultural, with the religion being only a veneer over a part of the culture.

I feel in respect of the matter of Kriss Beer, we might be wise to simply note the existence of the trade mark and let it go at that.From my perspective, I can see a lot of very shaky ground in front of this discussion, over which I would hesitate to tread. At least, publicly.

Pangeran Datu · 21st April 2007, 12:00 AM

Hi all,

Hmmm ....
Reminds me of an old saying: Ada duit, can do it. (i.e. have money, can do)

One has to bear in mind that it is increasingly difficult to adhere to/maintain esoteric values/beliefs in the scramble to earn a living and against the tide of captalism and its accompanying 'conspicuous consumption'.

Cheers.

Raden Usman Djogja · 6th May 2007, 10:47 AM

In ancient time, father would give a kris to his son who had grown into an adult.
In the other hand, by drinking "bier", a boy feels as a man.
Perhaps, the pamphlet was aimed to deliver this combined message to the readers.

21st April 2007, 12:00 AM	#4
Pangeran Datu Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 79	Hi all, Hmmm .... Reminds me of an old saying: Ada duit, can do it. (i.e. have money, can do) One has to bear in mind that it is increasingly difficult to adhere to/maintain esoteric values/beliefs in the scramble to earn a living and against the tide of captalism and its accompanying 'conspicuous consumption'. Cheers. Last edited by Pangeran Datu; 21st April 2007 at 12:14 AM.

6th May 2007, 10:47 AM	#5
Raden Usman Djogja Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 199	kris=adulthood=bier In ancient time, father would give a kris to his son who had grown into an adult. In the other hand, by drinking "bier", a boy feels as a man. Perhaps, the pamphlet was aimed to deliver this combined message to the readers.

4th April 2007, 05:15 PM	#1
BluErf Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,180	But the kris is not an exclusively Islamic weapon. It has a huge influence on it for sure, but we must also recognize where the rashaksa hilt on the keris in the poster came from.

5th April 2007, 04:13 AM	#3
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,992	It might be a wee bit difficult to try to understand the keris in a modern Indonesian context, as opposed to a traditional Javanese context, and Islam as it is practiced in Jawa as opposed to the Islam, as practiced, in, say Saudi Arabia. Too often explanations for attitudes are looked for in a dominant religion, when in fact the explanations are cultural, with the religion being only a veneer over a part of the culture. I feel in respect of the matter of Kriss Beer, we might be wise to simply note the existence of the trade mark and let it go at that.From my perspective, I can see a lot of very shaky ground in front of this discussion, over which I would hesitate to tread. At least, publicly.