Parang, probably from South Borneo

VVV · 24th March 2007, 11:26 PM

Hi Ben,

Yes, it's a Malay sword.

Michael

VVV · 23rd August 2007, 11:30 PM

Here is another one that I believe come from the same place.
According to the article by Schmeltz from 1892 (the article that Flavio made available to us all - thanks!!!) those parang originates from SE Kalimantan in the old state of Pegatan.
He lists a resembling one (7a and b) as a Parang Kerekupang (whatever that means?).
Another name for a resembling SE Borneo parang is (Pisau) Kamudi Singkir (= Diagonally steer knife??? ).
See also Leiden 761-22, 781-85 and 761-27 as a reference.

Michael

Dajak · 23rd August 2007, 11:34 PM

Hi I found information in an museum that these are from celebes

Ben

VVV · 23rd August 2007, 11:41 PM

Hi Ben,

It's correct that a variation of these parang are found in Sulawesi too - see f.i. the pictures from Grubauer, Unter Kopfjägern in Central-Celebes, below (kopfjägern = headhunters in German).
But if you look close, like I know you always do

, it's not the same parang. Even if they look similar from a distance.

Michael

Ian · 24th August 2007, 04:05 AM

Michael:

I'm interested in the emblem seen on the sheath of your first example. Do you know what the two four-leafed flowers might be called. There is a similar emblem on some Visayan sword sheaths from the Philippines.

Ian.

Dajak · 24th August 2007, 07:33 AM

Hi Michael it is more the scabbard and the pamor blade not much seen in Borneo

Ben

VVV · 24th August 2007, 08:05 AM

Hi Ben,

I agree that this kind of scabbard and pamor blade isn't what you usually see in Borneo. That's why I find these SE Borneo-Malay parang interesting as exceptions.

I assume you are still travelling, and didn't bring your own computer, so you can't check the references I have given above?
Here is the Parang from Schmeltz I referred to before.
The Leiden collection database is found on http://www.rmv.nl/

Michael

VVV · 24th August 2007, 08:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ian

Michael:

I'm interested in the emblem seen on the sheath of your first example. Do you know what the two four-leafed flowers might be called. There is a similar emblem on some Visayan sword sheaths from the Philippines.

Ian.

Ian,

I don't have a local Malay name for it (probably Bunga something?

).
In Juynboll's catalogue of the Leiden Borneo collection (German version) he just calls it a "rosette".
So does van der Hoop, too, in Indonesian Ornamental Design on a resembling motif from W Java.

Michael

23rd August 2007, 11:30 PM	#2
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Here is another one that I believe come from the same place. According to the article by Schmeltz from 1892 (the article that Flavio made available to us all - thanks!!!) those parang originates from SE Kalimantan in the old state of Pegatan. He lists a resembling one (7a and b) as a Parang Kerekupang (whatever that means?). Another name for a resembling SE Borneo parang is (Pisau) Kamudi Singkir (= Diagonally steer knife??? ). See also Leiden 761-22, 781-85 and 761-27 as a reference. Michael Attached Images

23rd August 2007, 11:41 PM	#4
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Hi Ben, It's correct that a variation of these parang are found in Sulawesi too - see f.i. the pictures from Grubauer, Unter Kopfjägern in Central-Celebes, below (kopfjägern = headhunters in German). But if you look close, like I know you always do , it's not the same parang. Even if they look similar from a distance. Michael Attached Images Last edited by VVV; 24th August 2007 at 12:01 AM. Reason: Added pictures from Grubauer as well as title of the book

24th August 2007, 08:05 AM	#7
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Hi Ben, I agree that this kind of scabbard and pamor blade isn't what you usually see in Borneo. That's why I find these SE Borneo-Malay parang interesting as exceptions. I assume you are still travelling, and didn't bring your own computer, so you can't check the references I have given above? Here is the Parang from Schmeltz I referred to before. The Leiden collection database is found on http://www.rmv.nl/ Michael Attached Images

24th March 2007, 11:26 PM	#1
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Hi Ben, Yes, it's a Malay sword. Michael

23rd August 2007, 11:34 PM	#3
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Hi I found information in an museum that these are from celebes Ben

24th August 2007, 04:05 AM	#5
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,399	Michael: I'm interested in the emblem seen on the sheath of your first example. Do you know what the two four-leafed flowers might be called. There is a similar emblem on some Visayan sword sheaths from the Philippines. Ian.

24th August 2007, 07:33 AM	#6
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Hi Michael it is more the scabbard and the pamor blade not much seen in Borneo Ben