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Flavio · 18th March 2007, 01:04 PM

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Flavio · 18th March 2007, 01:10 PM

The pedang. The lamination on the blade is very beautiful! Who knows the meaning of the big H on the guard?

Flavio · 18th March 2007, 01:14 PM

... and the guradè. The decoration is the same on both sides of the blade. Unfortunatly no rhino for the hilt

Spunjer · 18th March 2007, 02:13 PM

the bottom one has the lion of judah. ethiopia, perhaps?

Flavio · 18th March 2007, 02:49 PM

Hello Ron, yes the guradè has the lion of judah on one side and it's a tipical ethiopan sword. Regards

Flavio

kai · 18th March 2007, 08:49 PM

Hello Flavio,

I like the pedang blade!

The mandau looks very touristy IMVHO...

Regards,
Kai

Flavio · 18th March 2007, 09:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kai

Hello Flavio,

I like the pedang blade!

The mandau looks very touristy IMVHO...

Regards,
Kai

Are you serious Kai on the Mandau?

RhysMichael · 19th March 2007, 12:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flavio

The pedang. The lamination on the blade is very beautiful! Who knows the meaning of the big H on the guard?

A very nice peudeueng peusangan with a hulu meu apet ( pedang type 1). I believe the pattern you talk about is just a vegetative motif. If is seen on many hulu meu apet, I will try to post some more pictures soon of some. The floral motifs seen in Aceh are very common on weapons. Geometric and vegetative motifs are often symetrical. And very often enclosed in lines or borders. While it would be an H in the latin alphabet I am pretty sure they mostly use the arabic alphabet there. I hope someone here can add more on this

Maybe Utami will see this soon he is our man on the ground so to speak on these swords. Or Albert he certainly will have some good input on it.

RhysMichael · 19th March 2007, 01:11 AM

Some images

Some on Artzi's site

http://www.oriental-arms.com/photos/...02262/ph-4.jpg

http://www.oriental-arms.com/photos/...02168/ph-4.jpg

http://www.oriental-arms.com/photos/...01161/ph-5.jpg

http://www.oriental-arms.com/photos/...02189/ph-4.jpg

katana · 19th March 2007, 01:37 AM

Hi Flavio,
Congrats... I really like the Pedang..

..the influence of Hindu weapons seems unmistakable with the example you've posted. The hilt is great (very Khanda-ish) and the blade looks fantastic.

The blade on the Gurade is also very nice.....is it European ?

My knowledge of SEA weapons could be written on a postage stamp.....but the blade on the Mandau seems quite modern, the hilt has very little wear or patina. (yesterday I posted a recent Mandau.....functional, well balanced and basic with a good forged blade...but 40+ years old)

Regards David

RhysMichael · 19th March 2007, 01:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by katana

Hi Flavio,
Congrats... I really like the Pedang..

..the influence of Hindu weapons seems unmistakable with the example you've posted. The hilt is great (very Khanda-ish) and the blade looks fantastic.

Regards David

Some sources say Hindu and Buddist influence from India may have reached Aceh as early as the first century AD. Islam is believed to have first entered Aceh between the 8th and 12th century. Ariel Barkan noticed that it is influenced by the Indian Gulabghati hilt,

Mark · 19th March 2007, 03:20 PM

Regarding the mandau, we just had a very excellent talk at the Timonium seminar on the subject, which informed that the carving on the handle had very strong religious significance. The stylized motifs each represented a specific aspect of the Dyak cosmology, and the mandau as a whole was meant to represent the cosmos in a way. Erik said that sometimes months, or even a year, were taken to carve the handle.

In view of that, it seems very odd that the handle on this one is so roughly done and relatively unadorned. The lens shapes though are, I think, one of the traditional motifs - the leech.

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RhysMichael Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Virginia Posts: 520	Some images Some on Artzi's site http://www.oriental-arms.com/photos/...02262/ph-4.jpg http://www.oriental-arms.com/photos/...02168/ph-4.jpg http://www.oriental-arms.com/photos/...01161/ph-5.jpg http://www.oriental-arms.com/photos/...02189/ph-4.jpg Last edited by RhysMichael; 19th March 2007 at 01:33 AM.

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Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	the bottom one has the lion of judah. ethiopia, perhaps?

18th March 2007, 02:49 PM	#5
Flavio Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Italia Posts: 1,243	Hello Ron, yes the guradè has the lion of judah on one side and it's a tipical ethiopan sword. Regards Flavio

18th March 2007, 08:49 PM	#6
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,255	Hello Flavio, I like the pedang blade! The mandau looks very touristy IMVHO... Regards, Kai

19th March 2007, 01:37 AM	#10
katana Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 2,658	Hi Flavio, Congrats... I really like the Pedang.. ..the influence of Hindu weapons seems unmistakable with the example you've posted. The hilt is great (very Khanda-ish) and the blade looks fantastic. The blade on the Gurade is also very nice.....is it European ? My knowledge of SEA weapons could be written on a postage stamp.....but the blade on the Mandau seems quite modern, the hilt has very little wear or patina. (yesterday I posted a recent Mandau.....functional, well balanced and basic with a good forged blade...but 40+ years old) Regards David

19th March 2007, 03:20 PM	#12
Mark Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 987	Regarding the mandau, we just had a very excellent talk at the Timonium seminar on the subject, which informed that the carving on the handle had very strong religious significance. The stylized motifs each represented a specific aspect of the Dyak cosmology, and the mandau as a whole was meant to represent the cosmos in a way. Erik said that sometimes months, or even a year, were taken to carve the handle. In view of that, it seems very odd that the handle on this one is so roughly done and relatively unadorned. The lens shapes though are, I think, one of the traditional motifs - the leech.