Congo rifle

ward · 11th March 2007, 03:14 PM

It is Indian. look under torador. The firing mechanism is standard for this type and is period for the barell

Freddy · 11th March 2007, 07:21 PM

Thanks for the info, Ward. You're quite right.

Could it be possible that this gun travelled from India to Africa ? Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't there a big trade between India and the East Coast of Africa ? Anyway, it was found in an African weapons collection.

Have you any idea of the age of such a weapon ? I believe matchlock guns are the oldest type, no ?

ward · 11th March 2007, 08:40 PM

Indian matchlocks were still being used in India thru 1960's. The mechanism is simple and does not break often. I would guess 19th century. The style did not change for a couple of hundred years. I doubt the Indians were exporting these to africa but anything is possible

Michael Blalock · 12th March 2007, 03:05 AM

These rifles are very common in the arabian penninsula, Yemen and Oman. Both countries that traded with Africa. I have one from Yemen with a Leapord skin wrap on the butt. I have seen photos of the in use in the 1920's.

ward · 12th March 2007, 12:22 PM

Matchlocks yes are common in yemen and a few other places but not in this form. The Omani and Yemeni form is different

Freddy · 10th April 2007, 07:47 PM

Yesterday, I was looking for some info in Christopher Spring's book : African Arms and Armour. And look what I found :

This first image shows an array of weapons used in Ethiopia during the 19th century. Both guns look very similar to the one I obtained some time ago.

The second picture shows some Ethiopian warriors from that same period. The one on the right carries a similar gun.
In his book Spring relates that the Ethiopian musketmen relied for their effectiveness as much upon the noise their weapons made as upon the casualties they inflicted.
It seems that loading such a gun took several minutes.

Tim Simmons · 10th April 2007, 07:55 PM

Freddy as we know the Arabs had an outpost by the lakes more or less on the edge of the Congo so the trade of guns was widespread.

11th March 2007, 03:14 PM	#1
ward Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 637	It is Indian. look under torador. The firing mechanism is standard for this type and is period for the barell

11th March 2007, 07:21 PM	#2
Freddy Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sint-Amandsberg (near Ghent, Belgium) Posts: 830	Thanks for the info, Ward. You're quite right. Could it be possible that this gun travelled from India to Africa ? Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't there a big trade between India and the East Coast of Africa ? Anyway, it was found in an African weapons collection. Have you any idea of the age of such a weapon ? I believe matchlock guns are the oldest type, no ?

11th March 2007, 08:40 PM	#3
ward Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 637	Indian matchlocks were still being used in India thru 1960's. The mechanism is simple and does not break often. I would guess 19th century. The style did not change for a couple of hundred years. I doubt the Indians were exporting these to africa but anything is possible

12th March 2007, 03:05 AM	#4
Michael Blalock Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: dc Posts: 271	These rifles are very common in the arabian penninsula, Yemen and Oman. Both countries that traded with Africa. I have one from Yemen with a Leapord skin wrap on the butt. I have seen photos of the in use in the 1920's.

12th March 2007, 12:22 PM	#5
ward Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 637	Matchlocks yes are common in yemen and a few other places but not in this form. The Omani and Yemeni form is different

10th April 2007, 07:47 PM	#6
Freddy Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sint-Amandsberg (near Ghent, Belgium) Posts: 830	Yesterday, I was looking for some info in Christopher Spring's book : African Arms and Armour. And look what I found : This first image shows an array of weapons used in Ethiopia during the 19th century. Both guns look very similar to the one I obtained some time ago. The second picture shows some Ethiopian warriors from that same period. The one on the right carries a similar gun. In his book Spring relates that the Ethiopian musketmen relied for their effectiveness as much upon the noise their weapons made as upon the casualties they inflicted. It seems that loading such a gun took several minutes.

10th April 2007, 07:55 PM	#7
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,843	Freddy as we know the Arabs had an outpost by the lakes more or less on the edge of the Congo so the trade of guns was widespread.