Visayan Kris

LabanTayo · 11th March 2007, 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VVV

Thanks Shelley,

So is yours.
But mine is not a dagger but a 22 3/8 inch sword, about the same size as an old Barong.
I should maybe have stressed that a bit better in the first post.

Michael

Michael,
My dagger is 23". I would still consider it a dagger for fighting purposes. Its too short for any real Visayan sword application.
Perfect length for Tai Ing's "Bando Wasso" though.

Shelley

VVV · 11th March 2007, 03:08 PM

He, he,

I usually refer to it as a sword when it's longer than a forearm.
Maybe that's why it has such a pronounced spear tip, being good for medium and short distance combined slashing and thrusting combos?
For long range however you have to be very fast in footwork and timing to use this Kris.

Michael

LabanTayo · 11th March 2007, 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VVV

He, he,

Maybe that's why it has such a pronounced spear tip, being good for medium and short distance combined slashing and thrusting combos?
For long range however you have to be very fast in footwork and timing to use this Kris.

Michael

Battara · 15th March 2007, 01:52 AM

HI VVV,

Rick (thanks

) resized and posted my Ilocano wavy dagger for me in the previous reply. You can see the pointed and wavy nature of the blade. On the back it says,"Laoag, Ylocos Norte" which is a town in Ilocos Norte.

For the star, I am not saying that the star is the Malay sun, but that the Malay sun with 8 rays coming from it is the final Kapitunan emblem (though there were many). In a different form, this is what is on the Philippine flag today. The star on your piece -

Spunjer · 15th March 2007, 04:23 AM

vvv

actually your dagger was originally bought in a gunshow in california, i believe, by the ebay seller. he just assumed it was from negros since he's been there.

edit for correction:

my bad, here's a snip from his email:

Quote:

You know, I don't remember exactly when and where I got this Negros Kris, one of the many shows I used to go to on the Mainland.

so it wasn't necessarily acquired in california.

VVV · 15th March 2007, 10:16 AM

Thanks J & J,

Then I must have misunderstood Lee on the origin.
I don't think my blade resembles Battara's and LabanTayo's examples that much but if you all think it's more probable of Ilocano origin I am open to that.
If any of you would care to explain your ideas on this sword in f.i. a PM or mail I would greatly appreciate it.

Michael

Battara · 15th March 2007, 10:55 PM

All of the examples that I have seen that are not Moro have been Ilocano. To my knowledge they are the only ones that have wavy blades outside of the Moroland.

11th March 2007, 03:08 PM	#2
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	He, he, I usually refer to it as a sword when it's longer than a forearm. Maybe that's why it has such a pronounced spear tip, being good for medium and short distance combined slashing and thrusting combos? For long range however you have to be very fast in footwork and timing to use this Kris. Michael

15th March 2007, 01:52 AM	#4
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,280	HI VVV, Rick (thanks ) resized and posted my Ilocano wavy dagger for me in the previous reply. You can see the pointed and wavy nature of the blade. On the back it says,"Laoag, Ylocos Norte" which is a town in Ilocos Norte. For the star, I am not saying that the star is the Malay sun, but that the Malay sun with 8 rays coming from it is the final Kapitunan emblem (though there were many). In a different form, this is what is on the Philippine flag today. The star on your piece -

15th March 2007, 10:16 AM	#6
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Thanks J & J, Then I must have misunderstood Lee on the origin. I don't think my blade resembles Battara's and LabanTayo's examples that much but if you all think it's more probable of Ilocano origin I am open to that. If any of you would care to explain your ideas on this sword in f.i. a PM or mail I would greatly appreciate it. Michael

15th March 2007, 10:55 PM	#7
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,280	All of the examples that I have seen that are not Moro have been Ilocano. To my knowledge they are the only ones that have wavy blades outside of the Moroland.