japanese sword ( genuine or fake ??? )

[ferrylaki]

Originally Posted by ferrylaki

hi Mark,
I agree with you, Mr Kenji Mishina told me that he do not put interest on WWII era sword. most japanese doesnt. they may consider it not worthy to be collected. finding real nihonto is quite difficult out side japan. since the japanese soldier once landed in Indonesia, so I though it might be some real nihonto left. mostly shingunto, but who know? I might get lucky and find a nihonto....most people who own japanese sword I ever met didnt allow me to open the tang. Judging from the sword it self seem almost impossible since those sword mostly in very bad condition, badly rust. and people here like their sword sharp, then they use sand paper or stone. very wrong move....

regards,
ferry

here more pics to see
have a look please...

[Emanuel]

Hello Ferrylaki,

Maybe you could try passing a bit of lime juice on a spot of the blade to see if it brings out any temper line/hamon. That would at least let you know if you have a sword or not.

Regards,
Emanuel

[ferrylaki]

Originally Posted by Manolo

Hello Ferrylaki,

Maybe you could try passing a bit of lime juice on a spot of the blade to see if it brings out any temper line/hamon. That would at least let you know if you have a sword or not.

Regards,
Emanuel

Hai Manolo,
the lime juice, how far can it help identifying the sword. how will it look after I pour the lime juice to its edge? is the iron getting whiter or more contrast between the edge and the upper part? the sword once badly rust , then some one clean the rust using autosol / metal polish....so it made the sword dull...the edge line is still straight in its line and the geometry is difinitely perfect.

[Emanuel]

Hi Ferry,

The citric acid will darken the edge considerably if it's tempered. If you have the differential temper, then it may mean you have a forged Japanese sword. If there is a hamon, then Mr. Mishina may be more interested to examine the sword. If there is no temper line, then it could be the mass-produced WWII kind or a newer piece.

Here is an example from one of my blades.

Emanuel

[ferrylaki]

Originally Posted by Manolo

Hi Ferry,

The citric acid will darken the edge considerably if it's tempered. If you have the differential temper, then it may mean you have a forged Japanese sword. If there is a hamon, then Mr. Mishina may be more interested to examine the sword. If there is no temper line, then it could be the mass-produced WWII kind or a newer piece.

Here is an example from one of my blades.

Emanuel

as I know, the mass produced WWII sword also has temper line.
my sword once been cleaned using citric acid, and it remove all the rust.
and at the same time showing some kind of different colour on the edge...left the tiny dots forming a line( like nie ) like this picture. but maybe I should try put some citric acid again, just to make sure...thanks manolo.

regards,
ferry

[Emanuel]

Ahh didn't know the wwii were also tempered...anyway give it a try and see.

All the best,
Emanuel

[ferrylaki]

Originally Posted by Manolo

Ahh didn't know the wwii were also tempered...anyway give it a try and see.

All the best,
Emanuel

reading some articles.
WWII swords are oil tempered.
but I dont know the different.
I'll try....