The skewness of a keris blade

Buntel Mayit · 27th February 2007, 06:04 AM

Dear Mr. Maisey:

Thank you for your insightful explanation.

Regards.

rahman · 2nd March 2007, 03:34 AM

Thank you Mr Maisey for that very cogent expalanation.

I have long looked for the condong leleh in the keris, and you can get this feel as much in Javanese keris as in Malay/Bugis and Sumatran pieces as well.

Indeed, you can even discern many new keris for their lack of a good condong.

I has wanted to ask if there s a certain degree of incline, but after reading your explanation I understand better the significance. It is a matter of 'roso' (feeling) more than a fixed angle.

I think the condng leleh goes beyond just the incline to the overall flow of the blade. The feeling of 'sembah' is clear to the good blade.

Thanks again for this piece of enlightenment.

Alam Shah · 2nd March 2007, 05:55 AM

A good question and an excellent answer.

In my short experience with kerises, I've seen blades bent at the pesi (shaft), just below the ganja, to get a good angle / 'feel' (rasa, roso) of the ergonomics of the blade. With the ensemble, doing a few thrust strokes and parry, one feels the balance and better control of the blade's movement

I've seen mostly on straight blades with the hilt firmly attached to the blade. There are occasions where I've seen on wavy blades as well. There are always exceptions.

27th February 2007, 06:04 AM	#1
Buntel Mayit Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 7	Dear Mr. Maisey: Thank you for your insightful explanation. Regards.

2nd March 2007, 03:34 AM	#2
rahman Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 84	Thank you Mr Maisey for that very cogent expalanation. I have long looked for the condong leleh in the keris, and you can get this feel as much in Javanese keris as in Malay/Bugis and Sumatran pieces as well. Indeed, you can even discern many new keris for their lack of a good condong. I has wanted to ask if there s a certain degree of incline, but after reading your explanation I understand better the significance. It is a matter of 'roso' (feeling) more than a fixed angle. I think the condng leleh goes beyond just the incline to the overall flow of the blade. The feeling of 'sembah' is clear to the good blade. Thanks again for this piece of enlightenment.

2nd March 2007, 05:55 AM	#3
Alam Shah Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,248	A good question and an excellent answer. In my short experience with kerises, I've seen blades bent at the pesi (shaft), just below the ganja, to get a good angle / 'feel' (rasa, roso) of the ergonomics of the blade. With the ensemble, doing a few thrust strokes and parry, one feels the balance and better control of the blade's movement I've seen mostly on straight blades with the hilt firmly attached to the blade. There are occasions where I've seen on wavy blades as well. There are always exceptions.