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[Amuk Murugul]

Punten ...
Wilujeng sumadaya.

Hello again,

Animistic/dynamistic beliefs are still alive and well today, having evolved by adapting and cloaking themselves with the trappings of the prevailing belief systems to lend legitimacy/currency.

It follows, that spirits are believed to be able to inhabit not only keris, but, anything (including humans). Thus you have such words as totem, talisman, azimat, jimat, charm, possessed etc. still in current use.

As for belief in the supernatural, well, you only have to look at the presence of dukuns/pawangs/shamans etc. in even devoutly-religious communities (including Western ones).

Regards.

Sampurna rasa ingsun.
Amit mundur ...

[David]

Originally Posted by Amuk Murugul

As for belief in the supernatural, well, you only have to look at the presence of dukuns/pawangs/shamans etc. in even devoutly-religious communities (including Western ones).

I just want to point out that there is no reason why a dukun/pawang/shaman would not also be devoutly religious....and that being religious IS in itself a belief in the supernatural.

[utami]

interesting topics, read this topics 2 times

the way i see, each poster here their own belief, value, experience in this subject, if i may I like to share mine.

I was 9 year olds (1984) when i bought my first badik on the local market ( kramat jati, jakarta) . This local market was my playground because i live near the market. Since that year i was colllected more that 20 pieces. In 1989 my uncle who is a student from pesantren gontor ( Islamic University) come visited my mother. One day he said that i've gifted power and he gave a small keris ( 7 luk, aol 7cm ). He teach me & my brother kind of kanuragan from sunan kalijogo named rok-rok asem. After he left to gontor, i sense many things. one day ( Few month later) , i lost my conciousness, can not remember anything. When i awake, my mother said that i was trance and possessed by something. few days later, a paranormal cleaned amd sealed me up and take my edge collection including that small keris He also prohibit me to have any kind of edge weapon.

I followed his advise because i dont want make my mom worried about me In 2004, my office hire a kateda trainer for our sports activities. I was join the kateda and learn/practice kateda inner power. Since practicing the kateda I become more sensitive for many things. A closed friends of mine who have powerfull insight ( islamic ) guide me a lot so i could controll the sense. In 2005 i started collecting again except for keris.


something i like to share :
- i belief that everyone have potential to "sense" especially for keris or other pusaka. you can check yourself by open your palm, consentrated, place pusaka ( edge ) near palm, concentrated on your palm, you might feel cold/warm/nothing in your palm. the result is vary base on the person & pusaka.
- Their is strong belief / faith for moeslem about power beyond logics base on "KUN FA YAKUN" quranic sentece, its mean "Everything / Anything can happen, if allah want to".
- for me, logics always come first when dealing with other person related to supranatural especially on pusaka. Because they are so many scammer / fraudster that used paranormal / supranatural methode to get the victioms.
- I've meet some person who have powerfull ability, and most of them is very ordinary person. And they tend to hide their ability and very humble & noble person. Most of them also very logical & smart person.

upss, such a long post

2 days ago i bought "mengenal keris, senjata magis' masyarakt jawa/ understanding the keris, the magical weapon of javanese" by ragil pamungkas and "Orang jawa, jimat & mahluk halus / Javanesse, talismans & spirit" by anan hajid t. Reading this topics make me want to read these books asap

Noviar