Mystery Old Style Central Sulawesi Penai(?)

[kai]

Very nice piece, Michael!

Your hilt seems to be significantly different though - I wonder wether this may come from a different region (or ethnic group) than the Lake Poso area.

Is that leather covering the top of the scabbard?

Regards,
Kai

[VVV]

Originally Posted by kai

Very nice piece, Michael!

Your hilt seems to be significantly different though - I wonder wether this may come from a different region (or ethnic group) than the Lake Poso area.

Is that leather covering the top of the scabbard?

Regards,
Kai

Thanks Kai,

As usual the hilts of the old swords never exactly match the reference examples. So I was more looking for match in motif (crocodile), design features like the pierced protrusion and the overall shape of the handle, blade form, scabbard form (combined with blade) etc.

Central Sulawesi is a bit larger than only the Lake Poso area.
I think it's old and thin leather.

Jose, I can't see the similarity between okir and this style?
Could you please give an example?

Michael

[kai]

Hello Michael,

As usual the hilts of the old swords never exactly match the reference examples. So I was more looking for match in motif (crocodile), design features like the pierced protrusion and the overall shape of the handle, blade form, scabbard form (combined with blade) etc.

I do see the similarities and believe that all these belong to the same lineage.

However, your piece's hilt is unique in the far more widely opened mouth, missing scales, and indistinct ferrule/guard. Also the scabbard has different details than that shown in Grubauer like the tip as well as the opening: the latter is narrowing to meet the hilt (remotely similar to a Mandau scabbard) rather than recessed (like in many Badik).

In the light of these differences, I don't think that your piece is so much older that it's likely to be a direct ancestor of the published examples. However, considering the rugged terrain on Sulawesi, I wouldn't be surprised if yours is from a separate tribe somewhere else in (central?) Sulawesi.

Regards,
Kai

[VVV]

Thanks for your comments Kai.

I agree that with just a few references it's hard to narrow down the conclusions to anything else than an indication of probably Central Sulawesi.

The more widely opened mouth isn't found in Kaudern but still it follows the same pattern. However hilt D is also missing scales and B shows resembling end of the handle.

On the scabbard here is another example from Grubauer (11). This time Luwuk further East than Poso but also Central Sulawesi.
Obviously the picture shows a collection of several regalia weapons that doesn't necessarily had to be produced in Luwuk.
It's still not exactly matching but I haven't found any other combinations of this blade and scabbard except from this region.

So the sum of these examples indicates to me that the origin of this sword most probably would be somewhere in Central Sulawesi.
But I am curious on other suggestions?

Michael