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16th January 2007, 09:00 PM
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Ferrylaki,
Are those klewangs marked? |
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17th January 2007, 04:07 AM
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there are three tipe of mark : MILSCO, HAMBRUG, VINCE . These mark written between the hand guard and the blade in italic letters. I dont have the picture for this mark...the one I have doesnt have any mark. I believe it was macine made...the mark and the blade. |
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17th January 2007, 02:44 PM
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MILSCO is the mark of the american klewangs "adopted" by the Dutch. MILSCO means Military Supply Company, a US supplier of the M1941 cutlass. (Thanks to Ian) Those klewangs where left behind by the US army after WWII. HEMBRUG is 100% Dutch and made in Holland in the Hembrug factories. VINCE I've never seen. Maybe someone can tell us more about this mark? The unmarked one could be a dutch fabricate, but I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out to be an american product. |
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17th January 2007, 10:21 PM
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My two bobs' worth: Klewangs were produced in the US for the Netherlands during WWII. Model M1941 ( a variation on the Dutch model M1911, issued to KNIL). Much of the klewangs were not yet produced/shipped when the Dutch lost the East Indies and were consequently purchased by the US military for secondary use. Companies which had managed to produce/ship/sell them had them lying unclaimed in warehouses and at the docks. The klewangs were manufactured in the US by MILSCO and VINCE Fencing Co. (not to be confused with VINCE Forge). They continued to manufacture for the Dutch until 1960, when it was made obsolete. BTW ... re: BENDO mark 'UKI' It may be that it is not an acronym at all. It is a common Sunda male name (perhaps even common throughout Indo). It may be as well-known as the trade-mark 'UDIN' on the underside of horse-feed tubs at the back of horse-drawn carts in Bandung,  Cheers. Last edited by Pangeran Datu; 17th January 2007 at 10:35 PM. |
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18th January 2007, 02:33 AM
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thanks a lot for your information. I just call my friend who own a large number of those klewang. I'll try to get a better picture with those three mark/manufacturer. this klewang are too thin and seem hard to be sharpened...but they are not easily rust...the blade it self seem to be clean and smooth...no rust but dull. is it normal for a military use klewang...I notice that some of it manufactured in US for the dutch. there might be several differences between those klewang...any body can help me what differences are they??? |
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18th January 2007, 02:40 AM
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Hi ferrylaki,
Have a look at this old thread: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=1132 with the discussion on Dutch and US blades. Looks like the same picture as the one you posted  maybe the same seller Emanuel |
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18th January 2007, 03:05 AM
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18th January 2007, 03:09 AM
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Hi ferrylaki,
You mentioned that the blade is thin and hard to sharpen, but it has a fuller, can you measure how thin/thick it is? I like these blades, particularly the tip, it is very appealing. Emanuel |
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18th January 2007, 02:55 AM
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thanks a lot for your information. I just call my friend who own a large number of those klewang. I'll try to get a better picture with those three mark/manufacturer. this klewang are too thin and seem hard to be sharpened...but they are not easily rust...the blade it self seem to be clean and smooth...no rust but dull. is it normal for a military use klewang...I notice that some of it manufactured in US for the dutch. there might be several differences between those klewang...any body can help me what differences are they??? |
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25th January 2007, 05:40 AM
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milsco and hembrug
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25th January 2007, 07:00 AM
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25th January 2007, 07:30 AM
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solingen and hembrug both from netherland. and may have better iron quality than ' milsco' and ' vince' . the milsco klewang are dull but the hembrug seem to be more sharp...and much older. I just got it yesterday after my friens brough my 27 pieces of klewangs... there was only one 'hembrug' I found...others are milsco and one unmark klewang. solingen ,hembrug, and unmark klewang has better tip shape than most milsco. the edge has better curve and make it able to be come sharp. milsco klewang has line on its edge....and not sharp...  forgive my poor english...maybe pictures can speak more languages than words...look at the edge under MILSCO mark, machine made sword that hard to be sharp...dull it is. |
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25th January 2007, 08:40 PM
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To me it looks like a fancy "B", the right leg of the letter tuks inwards not outwards. I really like these Ferrylaki, but what do you mean that the line on the dge of the Milsco blade is hard to sharpen? Even staright edges can be sharpened very well. Too bad you only have one marked Hembrug...what would the unmarked ones be? Would they also be Dutch?
All the best, Emanuel |
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