English Sword with Arabic Inscription

Radu Transylvanicus · 19th February 2005, 02:43 PM

I see a combination of British with Turkish (crescent moon and the Islamic* caligraphy) while the at the time of WWI the smallswords were long gone as real use, it implies a ceremonial/parade perhaps even a fraternal perspective.
Anywhere from the Crimeean War 1854-1856 to post WWI Kemal Ataturk Euro-reforms, interactions have existed in between the two powers.

*(yes, I did use the descriptive word ,, Islamic ,, as I believe using it at times just like ,, Indo-Persian,, it aint wrong being so vague)

Sakhti777 · 22nd February 2005, 09:08 AM

Mykeris,
I got very strong feeling, this sword belonged the Malay world , let me guess, the Federated Malay States during British rule over Malaya or if not earlier. It is unfortunate I could not see clearly the Islamic incription on the emblem , but I guess this emblem most probably representing one of the older states of the Malay Peninsular at that moment. May be Kelantan or Perak. If this is so, you must be damn lucky owning this sword that has some history in it.However, I am a bit curious regarding the writings or forms forged onthe blade, could be better if sword specialist from the English world authenticate the two animal forms on the blade. If these forms proven English, most likely this sword was custom made and presented by the British government to the owner residing in the Malay peninsular. Very interesting sword that tells history.

tom hyle · 22nd February 2005, 09:49 AM

Those patterns on the blade are etched. The animals are hard to specify; lions?

mykeris · 22nd February 2005, 11:12 AM

TQ Tom and other forumites, thanks to Sakti for your opinion. Yes Tom, motivs are Lions. BTW, was Lion associated with the West especially England or British government during 1900s? Or could it be a self-made emblem with all those markings?

22nd February 2005, 09:08 AM	#2
Sakhti777 Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Penang Posts: 14	Historical sword??? Mykeris, I got very strong feeling, this sword belonged the Malay world , let me guess, the Federated Malay States during British rule over Malaya or if not earlier. It is unfortunate I could not see clearly the Islamic incription on the emblem , but I guess this emblem most probably representing one of the older states of the Malay Peninsular at that moment. May be Kelantan or Perak. If this is so, you must be damn lucky owning this sword that has some history in it.However, I am a bit curious regarding the writings or forms forged onthe blade, could be better if sword specialist from the English world authenticate the two animal forms on the blade. If these forms proven English, most likely this sword was custom made and presented by the British government to the owner residing in the Malay peninsular. Very interesting sword that tells history.

19th February 2005, 02:43 PM	#1
Radu Transylvanicus Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: 2008-2010 Bali, 1998-2008 USA Posts: 271	I see a combination of British with Turkish (crescent moon and the Islamic* caligraphy) while the at the time of WWI the smallswords were long gone as real use, it implies a ceremonial/parade perhaps even a fraternal perspective. Anywhere from the Crimeean War 1854-1856 to post WWI Kemal Ataturk Euro-reforms, interactions have existed in between the two powers. *(yes, I did use the descriptive word ,, Islamic ,, as I believe using it at times just like ,, Indo-Persian,, it aint wrong being so vague)

22nd February 2005, 09:49 AM	#3
tom hyle Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Houston, TX, USA Posts: 1,254	Those patterns on the blade are etched. The animals are hard to specify; lions?

22nd February 2005, 11:12 AM	#4
mykeris Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 278	TQ Tom and other forumites, thanks to Sakti for your opinion. Yes Tom, motivs are Lions. BTW, was Lion associated with the West especially England or British government during 1900s? Or could it be a self-made emblem with all those markings?