Satanic dagger, Age & country of Origin?

[Tim Simmons]

This German glass chalice "for sacrificial blood" Bavaria 1855 has many of the elements seen in the knife that started the thread. It could be seen as a touch subversive which indeed may well have been the intentional edge to the piece, if one is to bring to mind the rather stifling muscular church influence on life.

[katana]

Gentlemen......I think that to determine the daggers use ...we should investigate further, the possible associations with Hugo's 'Hunchback of Notre Dame', there are so many links to the story and possible symbolism with the 'true' context of the Authors work that this dagger pocesses.

The hilt form already has already been discussed to a degree. The knife in 'Esmorelda's' waistband is paramount to the story......she is (falsely) accused of atempted murder, by stabbing....later excecuted because of this.
In the story she is shown as opening carrying one....

"Mademoiselle Esmeralda," said the poet, "let us come to terms. I am not a clerk of the court, and I shall not go to law with you for thus carrying a dagger in Paris, in the teeth of the ordinances and prohibitions of M. the Provost. Nevertheless, you are not ignorant of the fact that Noel Lescrivain was condemned, a week ago, to pay ten Parisian sous, for having carried a cutlass."

The scabbard with all its archetectual design.....shows clearly 3 arched doorways........ this is a quote from a synopsis of Chapter 3...

As the narrator remarks: "Time is blind, man stupid." Nevertheless, he emphasizes the beautiful specimens of architecture that remain, especially the three porches with their pointed arches, leading up to a "vast symphony of stone."

The goat on the hilt was originally interpreted as 'satanic'...however..

"...., the symbol of the satanic goat, usually portrayed as a half human, half goat figure, or a goat head. It is often misinterpreted as a symbol of witch-craft in general. It is used by Satanists, but is not used by neo-pagan witches who do not worship the devil.
The origin of the Baphomet is unclear. It may be a corruption of Muhomet (Mohammed). The english witchcraft historian Montague Summers suggested that it was a combination of two greek words, baphe and metis, meaning "absorption of knowledge." Baphomet has also been called the Goat of Mendes, The Black Goat and the Judas Goat.

One more 'snippet'.............the dagger is 'crucifix hilted' , why would a satanist use a 'symbol of Christ'.......Surely a true satanist dagger would not have....or even need a crossguard

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Originally Posted by katana

One more 'snippet'.............the dagger is 'crucifix hilted' , why would a satanist use a 'symbol of Christ'.......Surely a true satanist dagger would not have....or even need a crossguard

Excelent points to ponder & illustration of possibilites Katana , thankyou. Good research!

I would say if you google the various towns & city of europe for churches & cathedrals you will finf many such doorways though.

Linking a dagger to the story is excelent! I have seen lovely French figurine knives of the 1850 to 1870 period in my research, so they do exist. I was hoping some would post more pictures of them but they seeem rather rare.

But so do & are Satanist daggers, interpritation is the key.

Any input on the bishops or Jews with boils & faces of misery in the book?

But re you last point, I would say that if ever you are unfortuanate & unlucky enough to to stab someone or something & hit a bone you will see why most daggers have a crossgaurd.


Heres another intresting point of construction.



The blade is drilled lengthwise & threaded into a steel bolt in the hilt.

Has anyone found a dagger of such construction before?



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