PI Weaponry in Spanish Museums

Battara · 18th February 2005, 11:52 PM

Mil Gracias. Thank you so much. I have noticed that some of the weapons are African mixed in with the rest of the PI stuff.

engar · 19th February 2005, 12:37 AM

Thanks for your kind words, but I prefer any weapon from your collection better than words

hehehehe (also a copy of Robert Cato book). I hope that the picture collection increase very soon but I can´t assure it.
I loved the cup-hilted kris.
I love it too, it´s my favourite item from the Army Museum. I will try to take more pics on it the next time, but his position it´s not vert good for pics.
I have noticed that some of the weapons are African mixed in with the rest of the PI stuff.
Yes, they mix weapons from differet countries/cultures but it can be possible to read in the poster of the item near every "shield" the origin of everyone.
The mayority of the Antropologic Museum items comes with the 1887 great exhition about PI. In 1886 the Spanish Government started a central comission in Manila to receive, classify and study all the objects that they received from the provinces and districts. After the great exhibition all the objects became part of the "Museo-Biblioteca de Ultramar". For the moment I haven´t more info about the pieces from this museum but they have a very competent librarian and I hope to have a lot of interesting information very soon. For the moment I have a very interesting photocopies about Metal Working from "Art in Sulu: A Survey. Philippine Studies, Vol. 11, 1963.David Szanton", if anyone are interested this photocopies I can scann them (but I forgot to photocopy the handle working).
All you are welcome in Madrid.

zamboanga · 19th February 2005, 03:03 AM

engar,

gracias for sharing the pictures.

what got my attention is that yakan pakkel (saddle) http://photobucket.com/albums/v672/e...t=HPIM2178.jpg .

it comes complete with abaca seats. very similar to one i sold last year but this one comes with stirrups. among the moros, the yakans are most adept in horseriding. they even have horse races during their lami-lamihan festival.

carlo

Federico · 19th February 2005, 07:28 AM

At first I was surprised at the mix of swords, until I started reading the cards. Some are off (it would appear that at some point someone switch letters for a few of them), but most were surprisingly accurate if not sparse in their information. I liked reading the little description about smithing in the Philippines. Interesting to hear that this collection was mostly started in 1886. I was wondering about the narrow range in age of pieces displayed, but this would seem to be an explanation. Still the breadth of the collection is impressive. Particularly it is interesting to see such age on the tenegres. We had talked about them being old, but to see such truly old pieces in such marvelous shape was breath taking. Cant wait to see more pics of the cup hilted kris, and like Zel and Mabagani, the museums in Spain will definitely be visited some day down the road (well maybe a long ways down but someday). Once again thank you for sharing.

LabanTayo · 19th February 2005, 01:28 PM

enger,
thank you, thank you so much for the pics.
they answer a lot of questions and also add a few more.

one thing i noticed though, no pira's (gasa).
the visayan weapons were great. it makes me appreciate my collection even more now.

Justin · 19th February 2005, 01:32 PM

another odd bolo,the missing link?:

http://photobucket.com/albums/v672/e...t=HPIM2147.jpg

And more:

http://photobucket.com/albums/v672/e...t=HPIM2215.jpg

zamboanga · 27th February 2005, 01:49 AM

There are two samples here of Item No. 4 listed as Espada Doble China : http://photobucket.com/albums/v672/e...t=HPIM2134.jpg

I'm intrigued with this item.

would anyone know its' history?

carlo

tom hyle · 27th February 2005, 04:28 AM

Sword double China. Look like jians, perhaps the kind that go two in a case.

John · 27th February 2005, 09:07 AM

Agree with Tom; Chinese Shuang (double) Jians. These paired jians are designed to fit back-to-back in the same scabbard and intended to be wielded one in each hand.

19th February 2005, 03:03 AM	#3
zamboanga Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: zamboanga city, philippines Posts: 132	wow! a pakkel! engar, gracias for sharing the pictures. what got my attention is that yakan pakkel (saddle) http://photobucket.com/albums/v672/e...t=HPIM2178.jpg . it comes complete with abaca seats. very similar to one i sold last year but this one comes with stirrups. among the moros, the yakans are most adept in horseriding. they even have horse races during their lami-lamihan festival. carlo

27th February 2005, 01:49 AM	#7
zamboanga Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: zamboanga city, philippines Posts: 132	ESPADA DOBLE CHINA There are two samples here of Item No. 4 listed as Espada Doble China : http://photobucket.com/albums/v672/e...t=HPIM2134.jpg I'm intrigued with this item. would anyone know its' history? carlo

27th February 2005, 09:07 AM	#9
John Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Land below the wind Posts: 135	Item No. 4 Agree with Tom; Chinese Shuang (double) Jians. These paired jians are designed to fit back-to-back in the same scabbard and intended to be wielded one in each hand. Last edited by John; 27th February 2005 at 12:41 PM.

18th February 2005, 11:52 PM	#1
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,280	Mil Gracias. Thank you so much. I have noticed that some of the weapons are African mixed in with the rest of the PI stuff.

19th February 2005, 12:37 AM	#2
engar Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Madrid, Spain Posts: 14	Thanks for your kind words, but I prefer any weapon from your collection better than words hehehehe (also a copy of Robert Cato book). I hope that the picture collection increase very soon but I can´t assure it. I loved the cup-hilted kris. I love it too, it´s my favourite item from the Army Museum. I will try to take more pics on it the next time, but his position it´s not vert good for pics. I have noticed that some of the weapons are African mixed in with the rest of the PI stuff. Yes, they mix weapons from differet countries/cultures but it can be possible to read in the poster of the item near every "shield" the origin of everyone. The mayority of the Antropologic Museum items comes with the 1887 great exhition about PI. In 1886 the Spanish Government started a central comission in Manila to receive, classify and study all the objects that they received from the provinces and districts. After the great exhibition all the objects became part of the "Museo-Biblioteca de Ultramar". For the moment I haven´t more info about the pieces from this museum but they have a very competent librarian and I hope to have a lot of interesting information very soon. For the moment I have a very interesting photocopies about Metal Working from "Art in Sulu: A Survey. Philippine Studies, Vol. 11, 1963.David Szanton", if anyone are interested this photocopies I can scann them (but I forgot to photocopy the handle working). All you are welcome in Madrid.

19th February 2005, 07:28 AM	#4
Federico Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Minneapolis, MN, USA Posts: 312	At first I was surprised at the mix of swords, until I started reading the cards. Some are off (it would appear that at some point someone switch letters for a few of them), but most were surprisingly accurate if not sparse in their information. I liked reading the little description about smithing in the Philippines. Interesting to hear that this collection was mostly started in 1886. I was wondering about the narrow range in age of pieces displayed, but this would seem to be an explanation. Still the breadth of the collection is impressive. Particularly it is interesting to see such age on the tenegres. We had talked about them being old, but to see such truly old pieces in such marvelous shape was breath taking. Cant wait to see more pics of the cup hilted kris, and like Zel and Mabagani, the museums in Spain will definitely be visited some day down the road (well maybe a long ways down but someday). Once again thank you for sharing.

19th February 2005, 01:28 PM	#5
LabanTayo Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kansas City Posts: 177	enger, thank you, thank you so much for the pics. they answer a lot of questions and also add a few more. one thing i noticed though, no pira's (gasa). the visayan weapons were great. it makes me appreciate my collection even more now.

19th February 2005, 01:32 PM	#6
Justin Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 180	another odd bolo,the missing link?: http://photobucket.com/albums/v672/e...t=HPIM2147.jpg And more: http://photobucket.com/albums/v672/e...t=HPIM2215.jpg

27th February 2005, 04:28 AM	#8
tom hyle Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Houston, TX, USA Posts: 1,254	Sword double China. Look like jians, perhaps the kind that go two in a case.