Badek??

Alam Shah · 7th January 2007, 07:56 AM

Maurice,

Here it is, my old simple kujang. I forgot I have one.

After looking at my kujang again, yours may not necessary be a tombak-tip.
Some kudi and kujang does have metuk-iras but are not tombak.

Alam Shah · 7th January 2007, 08:19 AM

If you're looking for Badek, here are some fine specimens.

VVV's Badek Collection

and 2 of my modest pieces.

1) Badek Bugis 2) Badek Bugis Sulawesi

Maurice · 7th January 2007, 08:42 AM

You have a nice collection Alam.

I saw you also like martial arts.
That's where my interests in indonesian weapons began.

Pangeran Datu · 22nd January 2007, 11:54 PM

Hi,

I hope you've managed to identify the item. In case you haven't, I'd just like to say that, IMHO, it is definitely not a kujang or kudi as generally recognised by the Sunda. Its form doesn't have the right 'flow'; it's too 'rigid' (even for a Badek Patani or a Badik). The dapur is more akin to a 'Suduk Maru', which is not restricted to pedangs. Of note is that there doesn't appear to be a definite 'inclination'/'curving' of the back-edge w.r.t. the tang, as is characterised by all of the above implements. Hope it helps in some way.
BTW,.. is this the one from Brunssum?

Groeten

Maurice · 23rd January 2007, 09:55 AM

Hi Pangeran Datu,

Thanksfor your explanation.
You're right. I'm the one from Brunssum.
And you are?????

(maybe the one from Heerlen????)

groeten,
Maurice

Pangeran Datu · 23rd January 2007, 11:18 AM

Hi Maurice,

Just to stop you wondering...

I'm not from the Netherlands at all; I'm from Australia.
I hope you every success in finding a satisfactory answer to your search.

Cheers.

A. G. Maisey · 23rd January 2007, 09:33 PM

I do not believe that this blade can be categorised as a kudi or kujang; it resembles no kudi, nor kujang, that I have ever seen.

The handle is a form that seems to be associated with North Jawa, and it is difficult to assess its age.

It is most definitely not any type of tombak blade.

I have seen similar blades that have been produced by the Suminep craftsmen and that combine features associated with a number of forms of traditional blade, or alternatively, with traditional blades and blades from outside Indonesian tradition.

My gut feeling is that close examination would perhaps indicate that this is of recent Madura origin.

7th January 2007, 07:56 AM	#1
Alam Shah Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,248	Maurice, Here it is, my old simple kujang. I forgot I have one. After looking at my kujang again, yours may not necessary be a tombak-tip. Some kudi and kujang does have metuk-iras but are not tombak. Last edited by Alam Shah; 7th January 2007 at 08:08 AM.

7th January 2007, 08:19 AM	#2
Alam Shah Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,248	Badek examples. If you're looking for Badek, here are some fine specimens. VVV's Badek Collection and 2 of my modest pieces. 1) Badek Bugis 2) Badek Bugis Sulawesi

23rd January 2007, 09:55 AM	#5
Maurice Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,453	Hi Pangeran Datu, Thanksfor your explanation. You're right. I'm the one from Brunssum. And you are????? (maybe the one from Heerlen????) groeten, Maurice Last edited by Javagolok; 23rd January 2007 at 10:06 AM.

7th January 2007, 08:42 AM	#3
Maurice Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,453	You have a nice collection Alam. I saw you also like martial arts. That's where my interests in indonesian weapons began.

22nd January 2007, 11:54 PM	#4
Pangeran Datu Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 79	Hi, I hope you've managed to identify the item. In case you haven't, I'd just like to say that, IMHO, it is definitely not a kujang or kudi as generally recognised by the Sunda. Its form doesn't have the right 'flow'; it's too 'rigid' (even for a Badek Patani or a Badik). The dapur is more akin to a 'Suduk Maru', which is not restricted to pedangs. Of note is that there doesn't appear to be a definite 'inclination'/'curving' of the back-edge w.r.t. the tang, as is characterised by all of the above implements. Hope it helps in some way. BTW,.. is this the one from Brunssum? Groeten

23rd January 2007, 11:18 AM	#6
Pangeran Datu Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 79	Hi Maurice, Just to stop you wondering... I'm not from the Netherlands at all; I'm from Australia. I hope you every success in finding a satisfactory answer to your search. Cheers.

23rd January 2007, 09:33 PM	#7
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,013	I do not believe that this blade can be categorised as a kudi or kujang; it resembles no kudi, nor kujang, that I have ever seen. The handle is a form that seems to be associated with North Jawa, and it is difficult to assess its age. It is most definitely not any type of tombak blade. I have seen similar blades that have been produced by the Suminep craftsmen and that combine features associated with a number of forms of traditional blade, or alternatively, with traditional blades and blades from outside Indonesian tradition. My gut feeling is that close examination would perhaps indicate that this is of recent Madura origin.