Badek??

Maurice · 6th January 2007, 11:14 PM

Hello Henk,

That's the same opninion I had.
Unfortunately it came along to me without scabbard.

Thanks for your opinion.

gr.
Maurice

Alam Shah · 6th January 2007, 11:56 PM

Hi Javagolok,

Welcome to the forum.

I agree with Henk that it looks like a tombak (spearhead) mounted on a Javanese badek hilt. The metuk iras (carved ferrule) looks thin compared to a standard metuk. Normally a javanese spearhead have a longer pesi (tang), but not this one.

VVV's tombak kujang example

My 2 cents worth.

Maurice · 7th January 2007, 12:13 AM

Hi Alam Shah,

Thanks for your explanation.
I always keep on smiling.....

Thanks for sending the other link to the kujang attached on the spear.

greetings

Alam Shah · 7th January 2007, 07:56 AM

Maurice,

Here it is, my old simple kujang. I forgot I have one.

After looking at my kujang again, yours may not necessary be a tombak-tip.
Some kudi and kujang does have metuk-iras but are not tombak.

Alam Shah · 7th January 2007, 08:19 AM

If you're looking for Badek, here are some fine specimens.

VVV's Badek Collection

and 2 of my modest pieces.

1) Badek Bugis 2) Badek Bugis Sulawesi

Maurice · 7th January 2007, 08:42 AM

You have a nice collection Alam.

I saw you also like martial arts.
That's where my interests in indonesian weapons began.

Pangeran Datu · 22nd January 2007, 11:54 PM

Hi,

I hope you've managed to identify the item. In case you haven't, I'd just like to say that, IMHO, it is definitely not a kujang or kudi as generally recognised by the Sunda. Its form doesn't have the right 'flow'; it's too 'rigid' (even for a Badek Patani or a Badik). The dapur is more akin to a 'Suduk Maru', which is not restricted to pedangs. Of note is that there doesn't appear to be a definite 'inclination'/'curving' of the back-edge w.r.t. the tang, as is characterised by all of the above implements. Hope it helps in some way.
BTW,.. is this the one from Brunssum?

Groeten

6th January 2007, 11:56 PM	#2
Alam Shah Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,248	Hi Javagolok, Welcome to the forum. I agree with Henk that it looks like a tombak (spearhead) mounted on a Javanese badek hilt. The metuk iras (carved ferrule) looks thin compared to a standard metuk. Normally a javanese spearhead have a longer pesi (tang), but not this one. VVV's tombak kujang example My 2 cents worth. Last edited by Alam Shah; 7th January 2007 at 03:10 AM. Reason: spelling

7th January 2007, 07:56 AM	#4
Alam Shah Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,248	Maurice, Here it is, my old simple kujang. I forgot I have one. After looking at my kujang again, yours may not necessary be a tombak-tip. Some kudi and kujang does have metuk-iras but are not tombak. Last edited by Alam Shah; 7th January 2007 at 08:08 AM.

7th January 2007, 08:19 AM	#5
Alam Shah Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,248	Badek examples. If you're looking for Badek, here are some fine specimens. VVV's Badek Collection and 2 of my modest pieces. 1) Badek Bugis 2) Badek Bugis Sulawesi

6th January 2007, 11:14 PM	#1
Maurice Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,453	Hello Henk, That's the same opninion I had. Unfortunately it came along to me without scabbard. Thanks for your opinion. gr. Maurice

7th January 2007, 12:13 AM	#3
Maurice Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,453	Hi Alam Shah, Thanks for your explanation. I always keep on smiling..... Thanks for sending the other link to the kujang attached on the spear. greetings

7th January 2007, 08:42 AM	#6
Maurice Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,453	You have a nice collection Alam. I saw you also like martial arts. That's where my interests in indonesian weapons began.

22nd January 2007, 11:54 PM	#7
Pangeran Datu Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 79	Hi, I hope you've managed to identify the item. In case you haven't, I'd just like to say that, IMHO, it is definitely not a kujang or kudi as generally recognised by the Sunda. Its form doesn't have the right 'flow'; it's too 'rigid' (even for a Badek Patani or a Badik). The dapur is more akin to a 'Suduk Maru', which is not restricted to pedangs. Of note is that there doesn't appear to be a definite 'inclination'/'curving' of the back-edge w.r.t. the tang, as is characterised by all of the above implements. Hope it helps in some way. BTW,.. is this the one from Brunssum? Groeten