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Old 5th January 2007, 12:06 PM   #1
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Default O did you know there where also mini Hornbills?

did you know there where once also where mini hornbills?
the piece here on the pandat is only about 1 cm!
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Old 5th January 2007, 04:34 PM   #2
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Enclosed some other pictures.

Feeling I have is that old earrings have a lot of open sides and less decoration on top. But this is all from books.
Are their no old ones in private collections amongst us ?
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Old 5th January 2007, 04:40 PM   #3
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Hi here some earrings the most off the stuff in the pic is from the famous collector Herbert Da Silva.



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Old 5th January 2007, 04:59 PM   #4
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A FEW MORE CARVED SKULLS IF I CAN GET THEM TO COME THRU.
WELL 3 OUT OF 4 IS GOOD ENOUGH. THE TOP ONE IS A BEAR SKULL THE TEETH ARE OFTEN SEEN ATTACHED TO MANDAU AND OTHER DAYAK ITEMS. I AM NOT SURE IF IT IS FROM A SLOTH BEAR OR A SUN BEAR BUT I THINK IT IS ONE OR THE OTHER. THE OTHER IS A BOAR SKULL THE TUSKS ARE OFTEN USED IN DAYAK DECOR AS WELL AS CARVED BONES ARE OFTEN USED ON SOME MANDAU SCABBARDS MOSTLY FROM KALAMANTAN(THE INDONESIAN PART OF BORNEO) THE APE SKULL IN THE PREVIOUS POST
IS DEFINITELY DAYAK BUT I AM NOT ABSOLUTELY SURE THAT THE HORSE SKULL AND HUMAN SKULL ARE THEY MIGHT BE FROM TIMOR.
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Old 5th January 2007, 05:06 PM   #5
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A FEW EXAMPLES OF CHINESE HORNBILL CARVED SNUFF BOTTLES.
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Old 9th January 2007, 11:57 AM   #6
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The bear will be the Sun Bear / Helarctos Malaynus, Sloth Bears do not live on Borneo. The Sun Bear is on Cites list I, being near threathned by loss of habitat due to deforesting and hunting for their fur and for chinese medicines.
I must say, the more I find out about this the more I feel people should avoid buying these objects. The brown skull you see in this thread are almost certainly very recently killed animals. The skulls are covered with some brown colour to give the idea of age. However age has nothing to do with it.
I think these all come from a certain ebay seller that ships from Bali.

The horse skull looks like Timor tourist material, and the human skull is Borneo and depicted in a catalogue to an exhibition from the Coppens collection.

But, still no pictures of good old Hornbill earrings from Borneo.
really none amongst the Vikinsword members ?
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Old 9th January 2007, 01:43 PM   #7
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I guess we don't collect earrings much, my only HB earring is the one starting this thread. However I have a few other Dayak carved pieces. Here is a complete HB skull. I would doubt it is old.

My wife keeps it in her "kitchen gallery" on top of the microwave.

I also have a few more HB pieces that are part of Dayak "belt decorations," (beads and bells) and a recent, but nicely done boar skull.
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Old 9th January 2007, 09:12 PM   #8
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Hi Willem the real old hornbill earrings are very rare and can mostly only find in the museums the last old one s I did see at an gallery in Amsterdam
but the price was to high for me

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