Sikin Panjang

Flavio · 2nd January 2007, 05:22 PM

Hi Bill and Lew, thank you! Bill, i was talking about the balance of the sikin

RhysMichael · 3rd January 2007, 12:27 AM

That is a very nice panjang and I believe there is an azimat on the back of the scabbard. Would it be too much of a bother to get a better picture of that ?

Oh and some names of the parts of these swords

Flavio · 3rd January 2007, 10:34 AM

Thank you Michael

Here are some pictures of the back, but i don't think that is a "true" azimat, since seems to me that in each space there is only a decorative sign, but maybe i'm wrong

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RhysMichael · 3rd January 2007, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Flavio

Thank you Michael

Here are some pictures of the back, but i don't think that is a "true" azimat, since seems to me that in each space there is only a decorative sign, but maybe i'm wrong

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I think you are right looking at the closer pictures it looks like it was done to resemble an azimat. There may however be some numerlogical significance to the rows and spacing of it. Someone who knows more about this than I do will have to answer that. Still a very nice sword and sheath and one I would be proud to have.

Utami
Please let me know if the terms I have are not correct or if they are a dialect other than Aceh. You have been a great help on this in the past. I don't speak the language and many who wrote the references did not either. So some of the sources out there mix terms from different dialects. I am trying to use the Aceh terms when I can find them as the sword is mainly atributed to the Aceh.

Thanks

asomotif · 3rd January 2007, 12:39 PM

Can anyone tell me what the carving on my scabbard means ?
Best regards,
Willem

RhysMichael · 4th January 2007, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by asomotif

Can anyone tell me what the carving on my scabbard means ?
Best regards,
Willem

Willem
I am at work a 48 now but when I get home I will check and see if I have anything on these motifs in the books by either Smith or Leigh

asomotif · 4th January 2007, 10:04 AM

Thanks !

RhysMichael · 5th January 2007, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by asomotif

Can anyone tell me what the carving on my scabbard means ?
Best regards,
Willem

Willem
Here is what I can find I am afraid it is not specific to your design

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Originally Posted by Liegh in [I

HANDS OF TIME[/I]] The motifs in Aceh fall into 5 categories: geometric, vegetable life, bird life, other faunal life and finally explicitly Islamic motifs

She goes on to note that geographic motifs can be traced back to the Dongson period of design dated about 300 BC. Floral designs which I feel the scabbard above and the designs on the one you posted are often interpreted as depicting images from the garden of paradise. Barbara Leigh uses this description which I think fits the scabbard designes

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Originally Posted by Liegh in [I

HANDS OF TIME[/I]]stylised floral, leaf and vine motifs meander with beauty and ease

There are specific plants that have meaning ( the tree of life, lotus bud, and bamboo).

The pattern in the picture you post ( resembling an X ) may be bungong keupala( "Aceh - Art and Culture" by Holly s. Smith

I know this is not much, I am looking for Van der Hoop's work ( Indonesian Ornamental Design 1949). that may have more for us. If I find more I will post it

paolo · 5th January 2007, 03:52 PM

The hilt of my short Sumatra klewang has a carving like Willem scabbard.
Regards
Paolo

utami · 3rd January 2007, 11:34 AM

flavio, a very nice new year gift you have

I wish I have one like yours

would you kind enough to sent your sikin to me, flavio ?

Thanks John for your sharing Sikin parts names. Some part names equal spell and mean with bahasa such as "mata" and "hulu". and "wilah" almost sound like "bilah" which mean edge blade. other part is surely from acehnese languange.

I got new knowledge about sikin,john.

3rd January 2007, 12:27 AM	#2
RhysMichael Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Virginia Posts: 520	That is a very nice panjang and I believe there is an azimat on the back of the scabbard. Would it be too much of a bother to get a better picture of that ? Oh and some names of the parts of these swords Last edited by RhysMichael; 3rd January 2007 at 12:59 AM.

3rd January 2007, 10:34 AM	#3
Flavio Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Italia Posts: 1,243	Thank you Michael Here are some pictures of the back, but i don't think that is a "true" azimat, since seems to me that in each space there is only a decorative sign, but maybe i'm wrong . Attached Images

3rd January 2007, 12:39 PM	#5
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,228	Sikin Panjang / carvings Can anyone tell me what the carving on my scabbard means ? Best regards, Willem Attached Images

5th January 2007, 03:52 PM	#9
paolo Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 173	The hilt of my short Sumatra klewang has a carving like Willem scabbard. Regards Paolo Attached Images

2nd January 2007, 05:22 PM	#1
Flavio Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Italia Posts: 1,243	Hi Bill and Lew, thank you! Bill, i was talking about the balance of the sikin

4th January 2007, 10:04 AM	#7
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,228	Thanks !

3rd January 2007, 11:34 AM	#10
utami Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Java, Indonesia Posts: 49	flavio, a very nice new year gift you have I wish I have one like yours would you kind enough to sent your sikin to me, flavio ? Thanks John for your sharing Sikin parts names. Some part names equal spell and mean with bahasa such as "mata" and "hulu". and "wilah" almost sound like "bilah" which mean edge blade. other part is surely from acehnese languange. I got new knowledge about sikin,john.