Can you Identify Horn hilts from photographs and or sellers descriptions?

BSMStar · 22nd December 2006, 08:54 PM

Hi Katana,

We are entering an area that can get very technical in a hurry…

You are getting into areas that are appearance related… the appearance of an object consist of the following factors (I will list the most important ones):

1. Gloss
2. Texture
3. Color
4. Opacity
5. Shape
6. If it is metallic or not
7. The angle of illumination

If you change any one of these factors or attributes, you change the appearance. Please note that color is an attribute of appearance (most people tend to intuitively think that appearance is an attribute of color). A lot of issues that are interpreted by untrained observers are thought to be due to difference in color… when actually, the color is the same.

So, to answer your question… yes, texture will influence the appearance of an object… to a human observer or a camera. The gray examples shown above are of differences in color, gloss and texture.

[A little secret... the chip with the textured blob of paint on it, they are the same color]

You may want to refer to this thread - this was plastic and had a few forumites confused...

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=582

BSMStar · 23rd December 2006, 08:14 PM

Hey Katana....

You may want to refer to the link that I added to the above. The scabbard and the hilt are plastic... photos are a bad way to discern the material, and the color is even more meaningless.

The silver part of the scabbard is made of polystyrene (like models are made from). The brown parts are a denser plastic, possibly polyethylene. There are casting bubbles (a give away) all over the brown plastic as well as there is a casting seam… but you have to look closely at the piece to see them. A detail that may be missing in auction pictures.

I hope you find this useful...

Happy Holidays!

katana · 24th December 2006, 09:53 PM

Thanks BSMstar,
that link demonstrates your point perfectly.....the pictures endow the knifes furniture/fittings with much more quality ( ie looks to be carved bone/Ivory/tusk when it fact it is cast plastic.)

Jens Nordlunde · 24th December 2006, 10:12 PM

Hi BSMStar,

I think we are comming to an interesting point - please comment on the light - the Kelvin light, direct and indirect light?

BSMStar · 27th December 2006, 12:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jens Nordlunde

Hi BSMStar,

I think we are comming to an interesting point - please comment on the light - the Kelvin light, direct and indirect light?

Hi Jens,

I am not sure what you are asking... Kelvin light, like "D65" (as in a black body radiating at 6500 degrees Kelvin)?

I really did not want to turn this into a thread on light theory. I just wanted folks to be aware that pictures do not always tell the whole story... and show a few examples.

Email me if you want to be bored to tears on light theory.

Jens Nordlunde · 27th December 2006, 12:13 PM

BSMStar - you have a PM.

Jens

22nd December 2006, 08:54 PM	#1
BSMStar Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Kansas City, MO USA Posts: 312	Hi Katana, We are entering an area that can get very technical in a hurry… You are getting into areas that are appearance related… the appearance of an object consist of the following factors (I will list the most important ones): 1. Gloss 2. Texture 3. Color 4. Opacity 5. Shape 6. If it is metallic or not 7. The angle of illumination If you change any one of these factors or attributes, you change the appearance. Please note that color is an attribute of appearance (most people tend to intuitively think that appearance is an attribute of color). A lot of issues that are interpreted by untrained observers are thought to be due to difference in color… when actually, the color is the same. So, to answer your question… yes, texture will influence the appearance of an object… to a human observer or a camera. The gray examples shown above are of differences in color, gloss and texture. [A little secret... the chip with the textured blob of paint on it, they are the same color] You may want to refer to this thread - this was plastic and had a few forumites confused... http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=582 Last edited by BSMStar; 23rd December 2006 at 07:59 PM.

23rd December 2006, 08:14 PM	#2
BSMStar Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Kansas City, MO USA Posts: 312	Hey Katana.... You may want to refer to the link that I added to the above. The scabbard and the hilt are plastic... photos are a bad way to discern the material, and the color is even more meaningless. The silver part of the scabbard is made of polystyrene (like models are made from). The brown parts are a denser plastic, possibly polyethylene. There are casting bubbles (a give away) all over the brown plastic as well as there is a casting seam… but you have to look closely at the piece to see them. A detail that may be missing in auction pictures. I hope you find this useful... Happy Holidays! Last edited by BSMStar; 23rd December 2006 at 09:47 PM.

24th December 2006, 10:12 PM	#4
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Hi BSMStar, I think we are comming to an interesting point - please comment on the light - the Kelvin light, direct and indirect light? Last edited by Jens Nordlunde; 25th December 2006 at 10:57 AM.

24th December 2006, 09:53 PM	#3
katana Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 2,658	Thanks BSMstar, that link demonstrates your point perfectly.....the pictures endow the knifes furniture/fittings with much more quality ( ie looks to be carved bone/Ivory/tusk when it fact it is cast plastic.)

27th December 2006, 12:13 PM	#6
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	BSMStar - you have a PM. Jens