Markings or Decorations on Mexican Swords

M ELEY · 11th December 2006, 05:35 AM

Hello Jim! I've got a Colonial Spanish sword with the 3 bar hilted guard, a solid brass lion hilt and straight Spanish broadsword-style sword with the 3 fullers. It is made by a German maker identified via Bezdek (I'm at work and can't remember their names) as from the 1800-1837 period and it has the Spanish motto "Draw me without reason,etc,etc."
The hilt has the classic primative line decorations to the bars, so typical of Spanish colonial. Very interesting discussion here.

Jim McDougall · 11th December 2006, 04:42 PM

Hi Mark!!

Its great to hear from you!!

Its been a while, and I remember our discussions on that sword, extremely nice piece!
Maybe you could put in a photo of it to enhance the discussion on this very interesting topic on these swords of early Mexico.
Thank you for coming in on this.
All the best,
Jim

Matt, you still out there?

M ELEY · 13th December 2006, 02:39 AM

Hello, Jim! I remember fondly our discussions on Spanish colonial and "pirate" swords. Unfortunately, I am still computer-illiterate when it comes to posting pics anywhere, let alone on this forum. Sorry! Still, I'm glad you mentioned the connection with Solingen makers using the Spanish saying. One must remember that not all markings can be taken literally (otherwise, almost every Scottish basket was made in Italy by Andrea Fererra!). You don't know how many times I've had people insist that my sword blade was re-etched or spuriously marked!

Matt Branch · 15th December 2006, 12:24 AM

Hi Jim and Mark,
Thanks for you're input!
Sorry for the absence, I didn't get any notification about you're posts,
( I was getting e-mail when ever someone posted on my thread but have not got one since last month)
I have been doing searches looking for images of swords to compare to mine,
and trying to contact long lost relatives who might know more about how my GG Grandfather and the Sword, his Whitney Ball and Cap Revolver and a Cane Sword that I have that I think was his.
I have not heard back for Casa Aragon or The Klingemuseum.
I am somewhat at a loss about the decorations, I have seen some good examples of tri-fuller blades with the spanish motto draw me... but I have not found one with the eagle, canon and floral pattern with flags.
I had hoped that the Klingenmuseum would have some record of P D L etching blades with these themes.
Thanks Jim and Mark for you're input!
Is the "Wallace Collection" in a specific book?
Jim what do you make of the eagle, canon, and flags?
I have not been able to find a connection to the Treaty Map, but it seems to me that the eagle with the canon and flags could have something to do with the end of the Mexican/ American War, would those lend more to an Infantry or a Calvary unit?
Best Regards
Matt

Matt Branch · 18th December 2006, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by M ELEY

Hello, Jim! I remember fondly our discussions on Spanish colonial and "pirate" swords. Unfortunately, I am still computer-illiterate when it comes to posting pics anywhere, let alone on this forum. Sorry! Still, I'm glad you mentioned the connection with Solingen makers using the Spanish saying. One must remember that not all markings can be taken literally (otherwise, almost every Scottish basket was made in Italy by Andrea Fererra!). You don't know how many times I've had people insist that my sword blade was re-etched or spuriously marked!

Hi Mark,
Thanks for you're input.
Do you have the ability to e-mail a photo of you're sword?
I will send you my e-mail if you can and I will post it here.
Regards
Matt

Matt Branch · 18th December 2006, 06:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim McDougall

Hi Mark!!

Its great to hear from you!!

Its been a while, and I remember our discussions on that sword, extremely nice piece!
Maybe you could put in a photo of it to enhance the discussion on this very interesting topic on these swords of early Mexico.
Thank you for coming in on this.
All the best,
Jim

Matt, you still out there?

Hi Jim,
I am still looking for more information on Spanish Colonial Swords.
I expect to acuire a copy of German Swords and Sword Makers soon.
I posted again on the SFI German language forum and a gentleman there also thinks the blade is Lonenschloss you can see the thread on SFI
Is there anywhere to look for more on the rehilting of these swords?
Regards
Matt

15th December 2006, 12:24 AM	#4
Matt Branch Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 36	Searching Hi Jim and Mark, Thanks for you're input! Sorry for the absence, I didn't get any notification about you're posts, ( I was getting e-mail when ever someone posted on my thread but have not got one since last month) I have been doing searches looking for images of swords to compare to mine, and trying to contact long lost relatives who might know more about how my GG Grandfather and the Sword, his Whitney Ball and Cap Revolver and a Cane Sword that I have that I think was his. I have not heard back for Casa Aragon or The Klingemuseum. I am somewhat at a loss about the decorations, I have seen some good examples of tri-fuller blades with the spanish motto draw me... but I have not found one with the eagle, canon and floral pattern with flags. I had hoped that the Klingenmuseum would have some record of P D L etching blades with these themes. Thanks Jim and Mark for you're input! Is the "Wallace Collection" in a specific book? Jim what do you make of the eagle, canon, and flags? I have not been able to find a connection to the Treaty Map, but it seems to me that the eagle with the canon and flags could have something to do with the end of the Mexican/ American War, would those lend more to an Infantry or a Calvary unit? Best Regards Matt

11th December 2006, 05:35 AM	#1
M ELEY Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: NC, U.S.A. Posts: 2,184	Hello Jim! I've got a Colonial Spanish sword with the 3 bar hilted guard, a solid brass lion hilt and straight Spanish broadsword-style sword with the 3 fullers. It is made by a German maker identified via Bezdek (I'm at work and can't remember their names) as from the 1800-1837 period and it has the Spanish motto "Draw me without reason,etc,etc." The hilt has the classic primative line decorations to the bars, so typical of Spanish colonial. Very interesting discussion here.

11th December 2006, 04:42 PM	#2
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,454	Hi Mark!! Its great to hear from you!! Its been a while, and I remember our discussions on that sword, extremely nice piece! Maybe you could put in a photo of it to enhance the discussion on this very interesting topic on these swords of early Mexico. Thank you for coming in on this. All the best, Jim Matt, you still out there?

13th December 2006, 02:39 AM	#3
M ELEY Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: NC, U.S.A. Posts: 2,184	Hello, Jim! I remember fondly our discussions on Spanish colonial and "pirate" swords. Unfortunately, I am still computer-illiterate when it comes to posting pics anywhere, let alone on this forum. Sorry! Still, I'm glad you mentioned the connection with Solingen makers using the Spanish saying. One must remember that not all markings can be taken literally (otherwise, almost every Scottish basket was made in Italy by Andrea Fererra!). You don't know how many times I've had people insist that my sword blade was re-etched or spuriously marked!