Czerny's auction

ariel · 3rd December 2006, 12:03 AM

OK, here is another one:
http://cgi.liveauctions.ebay.com/ws/...1,1#la-image-5
Looks totally legitimate. Rivkin, however, wrote me that the markings are very unusual: a mix of Armenian (old) and Georgian (modern) letters. (Thanks, Kirill!). They are not incised but acid etched, and I can't remember seeing this technique for the purpose on old Ottoman swords ( only on new ones, ie, when they got the Germans running their military).
And the Damascene pattern is very unusual: looks almost like Pamor.
What do you think?

Rivkin · 3rd December 2006, 05:19 AM

Sorry Ariel for not replying to your last messages...I was really screwed up this week. I do find a lot of items that Chery posts to be questionable. However, I can not deny that Cherny is one of a few places where I see highly unusual kindjals and not the same old boring 1860+ Kubachi/Tiflis.

However I can not say for sure that this sword is not some semi-fantasy 19th century item.

Philip · 3rd December 2006, 08:44 AM

That phrase can't be repeated often enough in this business.

Anybody who opens a catalog or goes to a site and thinks that just because a description is written by an "internationally renowned auction house" then it must be as true as the Gospels is asking to have his pocket picked. Here's where diligent study (hands-on whenever possible), and discussion venue such as this are invaluable.

3rd December 2006, 08:44 AM	#3
Philip Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: California Posts: 1,036	caveat emptor That phrase can't be repeated often enough in this business. Anybody who opens a catalog or goes to a site and thinks that just because a description is written by an "internationally renowned auction house" then it must be as true as the Gospels is asking to have his pocket picked. Here's where diligent study (hands-on whenever possible), and discussion venue such as this are invaluable.

3rd December 2006, 12:03 AM	#1
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	OK, here is another one: http://cgi.liveauctions.ebay.com/ws/...1,1#la-image-5 Looks totally legitimate. Rivkin, however, wrote me that the markings are very unusual: a mix of Armenian (old) and Georgian (modern) letters. (Thanks, Kirill!). They are not incised but acid etched, and I can't remember seeing this technique for the purpose on old Ottoman swords ( only on new ones, ie, when they got the Germans running their military). And the Damascene pattern is very unusual: looks almost like Pamor. What do you think?

3rd December 2006, 05:19 AM	#2
Rivkin Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 655	Sorry Ariel for not replying to your last messages...I was really screwed up this week. I do find a lot of items that Chery posts to be questionable. However, I can not deny that Cherny is one of a few places where I see highly unusual kindjals and not the same old boring 1860+ Kubachi/Tiflis. However I can not say for sure that this sword is not some semi-fantasy 19th century item.