Dayak Iban body armor?

VANDOO · 28th November 2006, 07:38 PM

I WAS NOT ABLE TO GET THE OTHER EXAMOLE OF TORAJA ARMOR TO COME THRU SO WILL TRY AGAIN IT FEATURES SHELL DISKS INSTEAD OF SEA BEANS.

OH WELL I GUESS THAT PICTURE JUST DOSEN'T WANT TO BE POSTED. I HAVE SEEN SEVERAL TYPES OF WHAT I REFER TO AS OCEANIC ARMOR. SOME FEATURE THICK FIBER VESTS AND SOMETIMES PANTS OR AT LEAST GROIN PROTECTION. OTHERS INCORPORATE PLATES OF , HORN, SEA SHELL, TURTLE SHELL , WOOD, BONE ,SEA BEANS ECT.

INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH OFTEN THEY WERE USED FOR RITUAL COMBAT OR SHOW AND NOT IN OPEN WARFARE, THE MARSHALL ISLANDS ARMOR COMES TO MIND. ON NIAS THE VILLAGE GAURD WORE SOME VERY IMPRESSIVE ARMOR THE EXAMPLES I HAVE SEEN WERE MADE OF STEEL BUT I SUSPECT THAT THE OLDER ONES WERE MUCH LIKE THAT FOUND IN TORAJA.

I DOUBT THAT A FANCY PUA SHIRT WOULD HAVE BEEN WORN ON A HEADHUNTING RAID AS IT WOULD BE TOO HOT AND TOO VALUABLE TO RISK LOOSING IT ALONG WITH YOUR HEAD. I WOULD GUESS THAT THEY WERE WORN ON SPECIAL OCCASIONS AROUND THE VILLAGE OR ON PEACFUL TRIPS TO OTHER VILLAGES. THE WARRIORS USUALLY WORE ENOUGH AMULETS ON WEAPONS, NECKLACES,ARM BANDS ECT. TO GAURD THEM ON RAIDS WHICH WERE OFTEN VERY SLOW AND QUIET ON THE WAY IN AND VERY FAST ON THE WAY BACK HOME REGARDLESS IF IT WERE A SUCCESS OR NOT. NOT HAVING BEEN THERE THESE ARE ONLY MY OPINIONS AS NOTHING CAN BE PROVEN EITHER WAY.

Dajak · 29th November 2006, 07:58 AM

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I DOUBT THAT A FANCY PUA SHIRT WOULD HAVE BEEN WORN ON A HEADHUNTING RAID AS IT WOULD BE TOO HOT AND TOO VALUABLE TO RISK LOOSING IT ALONG WITH YOUR HEAD. I WOULD GUESS THAT THEY WERE WORN ON SPECIAL OCCASIONS AROUND THE VILLAGE OR ON PEACFUL TRIPS TO OTHER VILLAGES. THE WARRIORS USUALLY WORE ENOUGH AMULETS ON WEAPONS, NECKLACES,ARM BANDS ECT. TO GAURD THEM ON RAIDS WHICH WERE OFTEN VERY SLOW AND QUIET ON THE WAY IN AND VERY FAST ON THE WAY BACK HOME REGARDLESS IF IT WERE A SUCCESS OR NOT. NOT HAVING BEEN THERE THESE ARE ONLY MY OPINIONS AS NOTHING CAN BE PROVEN EITHER WAY.

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Hi Vandoo you right about this textiles for decoration or as the Iban says
to make things look nice

the use off patterned cloth marks the occasion as an important ritual event

All this can be read in the book The Women s Warpath
iban ritual fabrics from Borneo
if you wanna have the book and don t get it let me now I have a few left

another one is iban or seadayak fabrics and their patterns

Ben

Bill M · 29th November 2006, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Dajak

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The Women s Warpath iban ritual fabrics from Borneo

Got this one

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dajak

another one is iban or seadayak fabrics and their patterns

Ben

Can't find the second book. is that the exact title? Do you have any of these for sale?

Albert · 1st December 2006, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill Marsh

Got this one

Can't find the second book. is that the exact title? Do you have any of these for sale?

On this site you can find almost any book.
www.bookfinder.com

Of: Gavin, Traude. THE WOMEN'S WARPATH. IBAN RITUAL FABRICS FROM BORNEO. you can find plenty there.

Albert

Bill M · 4th December 2006, 01:33 PM

Thank you Ben and Albert. Have ordered both books. Let's see if I can get some better information.

28th November 2006, 07:38 PM	#1
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	I WAS NOT ABLE TO GET THE OTHER EXAMOLE OF TORAJA ARMOR TO COME THRU SO WILL TRY AGAIN IT FEATURES SHELL DISKS INSTEAD OF SEA BEANS. OH WELL I GUESS THAT PICTURE JUST DOSEN'T WANT TO BE POSTED. I HAVE SEEN SEVERAL TYPES OF WHAT I REFER TO AS OCEANIC ARMOR. SOME FEATURE THICK FIBER VESTS AND SOMETIMES PANTS OR AT LEAST GROIN PROTECTION. OTHERS INCORPORATE PLATES OF , HORN, SEA SHELL, TURTLE SHELL , WOOD, BONE ,SEA BEANS ECT. INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH OFTEN THEY WERE USED FOR RITUAL COMBAT OR SHOW AND NOT IN OPEN WARFARE, THE MARSHALL ISLANDS ARMOR COMES TO MIND. ON NIAS THE VILLAGE GAURD WORE SOME VERY IMPRESSIVE ARMOR THE EXAMPLES I HAVE SEEN WERE MADE OF STEEL BUT I SUSPECT THAT THE OLDER ONES WERE MUCH LIKE THAT FOUND IN TORAJA. I DOUBT THAT A FANCY PUA SHIRT WOULD HAVE BEEN WORN ON A HEADHUNTING RAID AS IT WOULD BE TOO HOT AND TOO VALUABLE TO RISK LOOSING IT ALONG WITH YOUR HEAD. I WOULD GUESS THAT THEY WERE WORN ON SPECIAL OCCASIONS AROUND THE VILLAGE OR ON PEACFUL TRIPS TO OTHER VILLAGES. THE WARRIORS USUALLY WORE ENOUGH AMULETS ON WEAPONS, NECKLACES,ARM BANDS ECT. TO GAURD THEM ON RAIDS WHICH WERE OFTEN VERY SLOW AND QUIET ON THE WAY IN AND VERY FAST ON THE WAY BACK HOME REGARDLESS IF IT WERE A SUCCESS OR NOT. NOT HAVING BEEN THERE THESE ARE ONLY MY OPINIONS AS NOTHING CAN BE PROVEN EITHER WAY. Last edited by VANDOO; 28th November 2006 at 08:06 PM.

29th November 2006, 07:58 AM	#2
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	[ I DOUBT THAT A FANCY PUA SHIRT WOULD HAVE BEEN WORN ON A HEADHUNTING RAID AS IT WOULD BE TOO HOT AND TOO VALUABLE TO RISK LOOSING IT ALONG WITH YOUR HEAD. I WOULD GUESS THAT THEY WERE WORN ON SPECIAL OCCASIONS AROUND THE VILLAGE OR ON PEACFUL TRIPS TO OTHER VILLAGES. THE WARRIORS USUALLY WORE ENOUGH AMULETS ON WEAPONS, NECKLACES,ARM BANDS ECT. TO GAURD THEM ON RAIDS WHICH WERE OFTEN VERY SLOW AND QUIET ON THE WAY IN AND VERY FAST ON THE WAY BACK HOME REGARDLESS IF IT WERE A SUCCESS OR NOT. NOT HAVING BEEN THERE THESE ARE ONLY MY OPINIONS AS NOTHING CAN BE PROVEN EITHER WAY. [/QUOTE] Hi Vandoo you right about this textiles for decoration or as the Iban says to make things look nice the use off patterned cloth marks the occasion as an important ritual event All this can be read in the book The Women s Warpath iban ritual fabrics from Borneo if you wanna have the book and don t get it let me now I have a few left another one is iban or seadayak fabrics and their patterns Ben

4th December 2006, 01:33 PM	#5
Bill M Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: USA Georgia Posts: 1,599	Thank you Ben and Albert. Have ordered both books. Let's see if I can get some better information.