Dayak parang ilang Handle

Dajak · 27th November 2006, 08:59 AM

Hi thanks for your reply

The dots in the mandau is not an rumor there are some mandau s and pakayuns who have very litle amount off dots in the weapons that it could be true that this was in use for a little time for each head an dot.
( we see some mandau s with 100 dots or more but these are more to make the sword more fancy )

Take a look at this mandau is has very nice in lay but look at the other side the way they put in the dots

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ghlight=mandau

The handle s the top is an milano handle second one land dayak third murut
and last kayan so I think the handle off this mandau is not melanau .

take a look at the crowits I never see 2 on an kayan mandau we find this combination the most at the Iban people with their mandau 's .

so this one might be one off the first type that the Iban did get from the kayan ( but not sure about this that what I like to find out any information about this is welcome )

Hi Michael what you say about the Heppel book I have to agree with you

The same for
the Zonneveld s book see the information about the parang nabur that is in it.
And the jimpul s that one in there is not an jimpul.

Ben

VVV · 27th November 2006, 09:58 AM

Hi Ben,

Maybe on the "spooky" Mandau the dots could be heads?
Or it's just an unusual Mandau all over?

On the Melanau influence it was just the motifs on the silver grip I was referring to, not the antler hilt of course.

Both the Murut and the Land Dayak could have had contact with the Melanau for influence on their silver work on your nice swords?
Let's agree at least that it's probably made along the coast of Sarawak?

Thanks for the close ups.
Now I see what you mean and agree that it looks both unusual and interesting.
I also think that your Mandau is a "transition sword".
Maybe early Iban made Mandau, as you suggest, before they became more usual in the end of 19th C.

Michael

Dajak · 27th November 2006, 10:49 AM

Hi Michael yes in the Sarawak part maybe the North that part that is close to the Muruts you see the murut one have it too and the scabbard also your nice rare pakayun has also nice silver on the scabbard

The spooky mandau they could be heads

Yes I think this one and the pics you show me from that nice mandau
could be transition swords

would be nice that maybe you post them here

Ben

VVV · 27th November 2006, 11:00 AM

OK,

Here is my Mandau, that we discussed off-forum, with an abundance of crowit.
I don't have it around at the moment so I will have a closer look at the blade later today.

Michael

27th November 2006, 08:59 AM	#1
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Hi thanks for your reply The dots in the mandau is not an rumor there are some mandau s and pakayuns who have very litle amount off dots in the weapons that it could be true that this was in use for a little time for each head an dot. ( we see some mandau s with 100 dots or more but these are more to make the sword more fancy ) Take a look at this mandau is has very nice in lay but look at the other side the way they put in the dots http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ghlight=mandau The handle s the top is an milano handle second one land dayak third murut and last kayan so I think the handle off this mandau is not melanau . take a look at the crowits I never see 2 on an kayan mandau we find this combination the most at the Iban people with their mandau 's . so this one might be one off the first type that the Iban did get from the kayan ( but not sure about this that what I like to find out any information about this is welcome ) Hi Michael what you say about the Heppel book I have to agree with you The same for the Zonneveld s book see the information about the parang nabur that is in it. And the jimpul s that one in there is not an jimpul. Ben Attached Images

27th November 2006, 11:00 AM	#4
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	OK, Here is my Mandau, that we discussed off-forum, with an abundance of crowit. I don't have it around at the moment so I will have a closer look at the blade later today. Michael Attached Images

27th November 2006, 09:58 AM	#2
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Hi Ben, Maybe on the "spooky" Mandau the dots could be heads? Or it's just an unusual Mandau all over? On the Melanau influence it was just the motifs on the silver grip I was referring to, not the antler hilt of course. Both the Murut and the Land Dayak could have had contact with the Melanau for influence on their silver work on your nice swords? Let's agree at least that it's probably made along the coast of Sarawak? Thanks for the close ups. Now I see what you mean and agree that it looks both unusual and interesting. I also think that your Mandau is a "transition sword". Maybe early Iban made Mandau, as you suggest, before they became more usual in the end of 19th C. Michael

27th November 2006, 10:49 AM	#3
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Hi Michael yes in the Sarawak part maybe the North that part that is close to the Muruts you see the murut one have it too and the scabbard also your nice rare pakayun has also nice silver on the scabbard The spooky mandau they could be heads Yes I think this one and the pics you show me from that nice mandau could be transition swords would be nice that maybe you post them here Ben