Indian or African? all metal lance.

katana · 24th November 2006, 07:10 PM

Well done Tim,
I saw this...and liked it alot....fortunately I changed priorities and blew the budget elsewhere (I'm not comfortable bidding against fellow formites....hence 'fortunately).

I felt it was more likely Indian, .....but where ever it came from...it's a very nice spear.....congrats...

Any idea as to the function of the two rings......perhaps to hold the ends of a strap/rope for carrying purposes

Tim Simmons · 24th November 2006, 07:57 PM

The rings are only free to move up untill the middle section swelling or handle. I could bet my last £ it is African, there is a challenge for you all

.

katana · 25th November 2006, 12:10 AM

Hi, Tim....am I right in saying that lances often had a form of sling ... to take alot of its weight. I was thinking that the rings were moveable, fixing points for some sort of sling. Even if the lance/spear was carried on foot.....when 'advancing with spears extended....with the sling over your shoulder (spear holding side) it would take a lot of the weight of the spear from the warrior..... would not impede the use of the spear in a thrusting action, due to the sliding rings, but would still have the weight to inflict devastating wounds.

I would love for this to be African.......still think its Indo-Persian

Lew · 25th November 2006, 12:56 AM

I am steering more towards African the spear is nice but does not exhibit the finesse a an Indo Persian weapon.

Below is an Ivory coast spear which I think could be Dan tribe.

Lew

Tim Simmons · 25th November 2006, 08:24 AM

Yet again something new from Africa. This lance weighs in at just under 2.5kg. It is quite possible a sling of some sort was used with the two rings.

Lew that is a fine lance indeed. How heavy is it? I bet mine is bigger and more weighty than yours

.

Lew · 25th November 2006, 10:04 AM

Tim

My spear is hollow with some type of bead rolling around inside the shaft section weight maybe 2lbs a thrower for sure.

katana · 25th November 2006, 02:33 PM

Hi Tim,
some images of Indian lance butts and a spear with similar decoration near spearhead.....although spearhead shape not an exact match.

25th November 2006, 12:56 AM	#4
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	I am steering more towards African the spear is nice but does not exhibit the finesse a an Indo Persian weapon. Below is an Ivory coast spear which I think could be Dan tribe. Lew Attached Images

25th November 2006, 08:24 AM	#5
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,843	Yet again something new from Africa. This lance weighs in at just under 2.5kg. It is quite possible a sling of some sort was used with the two rings. Lew that is a fine lance indeed. How heavy is it? I bet mine is bigger and more weighty than yours . Last edited by Tim Simmons; 25th November 2006 at 08:50 AM.

25th November 2006, 02:33 PM	#7
katana Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 2,658	Hi Tim, some images of Indian lance butts and a spear with similar decoration near spearhead.....although spearhead shape not an exact match. Attached Images

24th November 2006, 07:10 PM	#1
katana Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 2,658	Well done Tim, I saw this...and liked it alot....fortunately I changed priorities and blew the budget elsewhere (I'm not comfortable bidding against fellow formites....hence 'fortunately). I felt it was more likely Indian, .....but where ever it came from...it's a very nice spear.....congrats... Any idea as to the function of the two rings......perhaps to hold the ends of a strap/rope for carrying purposes

24th November 2006, 07:57 PM	#2
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,843	The rings are only free to move up untill the middle section swelling or handle. I could bet my last £ it is African, there is a challenge for you all .

25th November 2006, 12:10 AM	#3
katana Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 2,658	Hi, Tim....am I right in saying that lances often had a form of sling ... to take alot of its weight. I was thinking that the rings were moveable, fixing points for some sort of sling. Even if the lance/spear was carried on foot.....when 'advancing with spears extended....with the sling over your shoulder (spear holding side) it would take a lot of the weight of the spear from the warrior..... would not impede the use of the spear in a thrusting action, due to the sliding rings, but would still have the weight to inflict devastating wounds. I would love for this to be African.......still think its Indo-Persian

25th November 2006, 10:04 AM	#6
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	Tim My spear is hollow with some type of bead rolling around inside the shaft section weight maybe 2lbs a thrower for sure.