MOROCCAN? KOUMMIYA WITH SERIAL NUMBER ON BLADE

OAKSP · 16th November 2006, 08:59 AM

Hi guys !

Thanks for your replies !

There is another question wich comes to me very ofthen.

I have read somewhere that it is possible to observe on these kind of moroccan daggers the mark of identification for the tribe that belongs to the manufacturer.

Does anybody here have one with those markings, or can anybody tell us where is the mark located on those daggers?

Once again many thanks to all of you.

Marc · 20th November 2006, 10:28 AM

Well, nothing Really conclusive...
From the 1830's up to the last quarter of the 19th c. there's Spanish military patterns of swords and sabers which feature blades with this characteristic double-fullered ricasso. They're always officer's swords, never trooper's. As such, they're normally decorated with engravings and etchings in the ricasso. I don't know if there's other European patterns with such features, so where yours may exactly come from, is anyone's guess, but there was a certain trade of sword blades from the Toledo factory to foreign countries, that might include North Africa, a good part of which under Spanish jurisdiction by then.

That these come from a reworked European sword blade from the mid-late 19th c. is an hypothesis that holds some water. More than that, I can't say. The answer lies probably in the stamped numbers.

I’m sorry for not being able to help more.

Nice exemplars, by the way.

16th November 2006, 08:59 AM	#1
OAKSP Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: SPAIN Posts: 21	TRIBE IDENTIFICATION Hi guys ! Thanks for your replies ! There is another question wich comes to me very ofthen. I have read somewhere that it is possible to observe on these kind of moroccan daggers the mark of identification for the tribe that belongs to the manufacturer. Does anybody here have one with those markings, or can anybody tell us where is the mark located on those daggers? Once again many thanks to all of you.

20th November 2006, 10:28 AM	#2
Marc Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Madrid / Barcelona Posts: 256	Well, nothing Really conclusive... From the 1830's up to the last quarter of the 19th c. there's Spanish military patterns of swords and sabers which feature blades with this characteristic double-fullered ricasso. They're always officer's swords, never trooper's. As such, they're normally decorated with engravings and etchings in the ricasso. I don't know if there's other European patterns with such features, so where yours may exactly come from, is anyone's guess, but there was a certain trade of sword blades from the Toledo factory to foreign countries, that might include North Africa, a good part of which under Spanish jurisdiction by then. That these come from a reworked European sword blade from the mid-late 19th c. is an hypothesis that holds some water. More than that, I can't say. The answer lies probably in the stamped numbers. I’m sorry for not being able to help more. Nice exemplars, by the way.