Comments on my father's Keris

Justin · 13th February 2005, 01:33 PM

Im sure some of our more knowledgeable keris collecters will be of more help but my initial impression is that Java is probably the country of origin,but to my unexperienced eyes it also has a lot of Madurese influence.

As to dapur and pamor I wont even hazard a guess,there are infinate variations of both so it can be very difficult to accurately identify the dapur and pamor of a keris.

To me it looks like something isnt quite right with it,the sheath looks far too plain to me for such an ornate keris,although the metal covering the sheath {pendok} looks like it could be swassa {Indonesian rose gold} but that ofcourse will have to be checked by a jeweler.

okhba3 · 14th February 2005, 01:02 AM

Thanks for your comment Justin. Indeed that when I asked my father, the sheath is not original. My grandfather got the Keris in return of someone in desperate need of money, but without the sheath. So he collected bits of gold, and asked someone to made the sheath for the Keris.

Alam Shah · 14th February 2005, 12:42 PM

Please post a few full blade pictures? With a full picture of the keris blade, other details can be posted. In my opinion, the sheath does not do justice to the blade.

okhba3 · 14th February 2005, 04:10 PM

Ok, here is what I've got at the moment, almost full picture of the blade. I will ask my father for another full picture of the blade, but it may take a couple of days, since I don't live with him and he probably cannot send it via email to me.

okhba3 · 16th February 2005, 12:13 AM

few added photos

okhba3 · 10th July 2006, 10:38 AM

Sorry to bring up this old thread. A few weeks ago, there was a Keris exhibition in Jakarta, Indonesia. My father went there and there was a stand for Keris consultation. So my father brought his Keris with him and this is the result according to the consultant:
Keris Luk 11
Dapur Nogososro
Tangguh Mataram
Kinatah Kemarogan
Pamor "Persi Dewata" Segoro Muncar
Perabot Gayaman
Hulu (Hilt): Gading Putra 1

I don't know exactly what each of those means and I cannot translate it properly to English (except probably for Hilt). Appreciate any comments.

Alam Shah · 10th July 2006, 11:44 AM

A little explanation about the consultation remarks:

Keris Luk 11 = The blade has 11 meandering curves known as luks.
Dapur Nogososro = The blade design, is in the Nogososro (dragon) form.
Tangguh Mataram = is the estimated period when it was made.
(For more info: http://old.blades.free.fr/keris/intr...n/kingdoms.htm)
Kinatah Kamarogan = is the gold/brass-works, relief decoration on a blade with.
Pamor "Persi Dewata" Segoro Muncar = is the pattern found on the blade.
Perabot Gayaman = is the sheath form, meant for everyday use (not for officail ceremonies).
Hulu (Hilt): Gading Putra 1 = is the ivory carving design of the hilt (ukiran).

Hope that helped.

14th February 2005, 01:02 AM	#2
okhba3 Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Jakarta, Indonesia Posts: 10	The sheath is not original Thanks for your comment Justin. Indeed that when I asked my father, the sheath is not original. My grandfather got the Keris in return of someone in desperate need of money, but without the sheath. So he collected bits of gold, and asked someone to made the sheath for the Keris.

14th February 2005, 12:42 PM	#3
Alam Shah Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,248	Request for full blade...photo Please post a few full blade pictures? With a full picture of the keris blade, other details can be posted. In my opinion, the sheath does not do justice to the blade.

14th February 2005, 04:10 PM	#4
okhba3 Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Jakarta, Indonesia Posts: 10	more photo on the way Ok, here is what I've got at the moment, almost full picture of the blade. I will ask my father for another full picture of the blade, but it may take a couple of days, since I don't live with him and he probably cannot send it via email to me. Attached Images

16th February 2005, 12:13 AM	#5
okhba3 Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Jakarta, Indonesia Posts: 10	more photos few added photos Attached Images

10th July 2006, 10:38 AM	#6
okhba3 Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Jakarta, Indonesia Posts: 10	My father's keris identification Sorry to bring up this old thread. A few weeks ago, there was a Keris exhibition in Jakarta, Indonesia. My father went there and there was a stand for Keris consultation. So my father brought his Keris with him and this is the result according to the consultant: Keris Luk 11 Dapur Nogososro Tangguh Mataram Kinatah Kemarogan Pamor "Persi Dewata" Segoro Muncar Perabot Gayaman Hulu (Hilt): Gading Putra 1 I don't know exactly what each of those means and I cannot translate it properly to English (except probably for Hilt). Appreciate any comments.

13th February 2005, 01:33 PM	#1
Justin Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 182	Im sure some of our more knowledgeable keris collecters will be of more help but my initial impression is that Java is probably the country of origin,but to my unexperienced eyes it also has a lot of Madurese influence. As to dapur and pamor I wont even hazard a guess,there are infinate variations of both so it can be very difficult to accurately identify the dapur and pamor of a keris. To me it looks like something isnt quite right with it,the sheath looks far too plain to me for such an ornate keris,although the metal covering the sheath {pendok} looks like it could be swassa {Indonesian rose gold} but that ofcourse will have to be checked by a jeweler.

10th July 2006, 11:44 AM	#7
Alam Shah Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,248	Keris Consultation review... A little explanation about the consultation remarks: Keris Luk 11 = The blade has 11 meandering curves known as luks. Dapur Nogososro = The blade design, is in the Nogososro (dragon) form. Tangguh Mataram = is the estimated period when it was made. (For more info: http://old.blades.free.fr/keris/intr...n/kingdoms.htm) Kinatah Kamarogan = is the gold/brass-works, relief decoration on a blade with. Pamor "Persi Dewata" Segoro Muncar = is the pattern found on the blade. Perabot Gayaman = is the sheath form, meant for everyday use (not for officail ceremonies). Hulu (Hilt): Gading Putra 1 = is the ivory carving design of the hilt (ukiran). Hope that helped. Last edited by Alam Shah; 10th July 2006 at 11:55 AM.