Possible Pajajaran Keris for comment....

Henk · 13th February 2005, 01:28 PM

It looks like pamor Kul Buntet to me. Looks also like a very old blade. What do you mean by "the peksi is replaced"? The peksi is the angle on which the mendak and ukiran is mounted and that is not visible. The Jogya dress is brandnew, but to me it looks like a very nice keris.

BSMStar · 13th February 2005, 05:17 PM

Hi Henk!

The peksi looks new (not corroded at all). It appears to have no pamor. It was an expert job in replacement... but it has a slightly noticable smaller diameter than the original (you can still see the original, as earlier stated). Otherwise it is perfect.

BSMStar · 15th February 2005, 11:26 PM

I hope these are helpful...

Henk · 16th February 2005, 10:05 AM

Yes, that is a new peksi. Welded again to the keris. it is also possible that the old peksi is still present. The age of your keris and the many etchings might have eaten away the original peksi. This new peksi could be a tube on the lower site and placed over the remaining peksi. Nevertheless a beatiful old blade in my opinion.

Jan · 16th February 2005, 10:08 AM

Hello,
the letters "HB IX" on the bag stand for Hamengku Buwana IX, the former sultan of Yogyakarta. He was the traditional ruler of Yogyakarta from 1939 until his death in 1988. He is still very popular and highly honored for his role in the struggle for Indonesian independence 1945-49.
The emblem looks similar to the coat-of-arms of the Keraton Ngayogyakarta Hadiningrat, his palace.

BSMStar · 16th February 2005, 12:54 PM

Thank you Henk and Jan for your input!!!!

The blade looks like it has pamor; do you think it is with nickel or a phosphorus iron?

The dapur and size reminds me of a 14c Keris, any ideas?

Thank you for your help!

BSMStar

Henk · 16th February 2005, 06:51 PM

The blade has pamor, thats for sure. Tammens wrote in his books about different colors of pamor depending on the kind of metalls that were used. Tammens wrote also about research on the metal of keris and that older keris show after analysis that during the forging-proces meteorite pamor was used. Meteorite metal contains nickle in different degrees.

In my opinion it is an very old blade but I don't have the courage to date it.

BSMStar · 24th February 2005, 10:17 PM

With so many artificially aged Keris for sale, I was hoping to here more ideas about this Keris... is it "authentic" (meaning is it old)??

What make an old Keris a Pusaka (once it is sold, is it still considered an heirloom)?

This is a great link:

http://www.vikingsword.com/ethsword/maisey/

Please note the transitions (see #3, it is similar to the above Keris).

I think the Keris bag is "made up." But can anyone tell me about it, have you seen others?

Any other ideas? I want the good and the bad news (I learn more from the bad news

) Thanks!

BSMStar

13th February 2005, 05:17 PM	#2
BSMStar Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Kansas City, MO USA Posts: 312	Replaced peksi Hi Henk! The peksi looks new (not corroded at all). It appears to have no pamor. It was an expert job in replacement... but it has a slightly noticable smaller diameter than the original (you can still see the original, as earlier stated). Otherwise it is perfect.

24th February 2005, 10:17 PM	#8
BSMStar Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Kansas City, MO USA Posts: 312	Pusaka With so many artificially aged Keris for sale, I was hoping to here more ideas about this Keris... is it "authentic" (meaning is it old)?? What make an old Keris a Pusaka (once it is sold, is it still considered an heirloom)? This is a great link: http://www.vikingsword.com/ethsword/maisey/ Please note the transitions (see #3, it is similar to the above Keris). I think the Keris bag is "made up." But can anyone tell me about it, have you seen others? Any other ideas? I want the good and the bad news (I learn more from the bad news ) Thanks! BSMStar Last edited by BSMStar; 24th February 2005 at 10:44 PM.

13th February 2005, 01:28 PM	#1
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	It looks like pamor Kul Buntet to me. Looks also like a very old blade. What do you mean by "the peksi is replaced"? The peksi is the angle on which the mendak and ukiran is mounted and that is not visible. The Jogya dress is brandnew, but to me it looks like a very nice keris.

15th February 2005, 11:26 PM	#3
BSMStar Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Kansas City, MO USA Posts: 312	Here are some more Pictrues I hope these are helpful... Attached Images

16th February 2005, 10:05 AM	#4
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	Yes, that is a new peksi. Welded again to the keris. it is also possible that the old peksi is still present. The age of your keris and the many etchings might have eaten away the original peksi. This new peksi could be a tube on the lower site and placed over the remaining peksi. Nevertheless a beatiful old blade in my opinion.

16th February 2005, 10:08 AM	#5
Jan Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Hamburg, Germany Posts: 8	Hello, the letters "HB IX" on the bag stand for Hamengku Buwana IX, the former sultan of Yogyakarta. He was the traditional ruler of Yogyakarta from 1939 until his death in 1988. He is still very popular and highly honored for his role in the struggle for Indonesian independence 1945-49. The emblem looks similar to the coat-of-arms of the Keraton Ngayogyakarta Hadiningrat, his palace.

16th February 2005, 12:54 PM	#6
BSMStar Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Kansas City, MO USA Posts: 312	Thank you Henk and Jan for your input!!!! The blade looks like it has pamor; do you think it is with nickel or a phosphorus iron? The dapur and size reminds me of a 14c Keris, any ideas? Thank you for your help! BSMStar

16th February 2005, 06:51 PM	#7
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	The blade has pamor, thats for sure. Tammens wrote in his books about different colors of pamor depending on the kind of metalls that were used. Tammens wrote also about research on the metal of keris and that older keris show after analysis that during the forging-proces meteorite pamor was used. Meteorite metal contains nickle in different degrees. In my opinion it is an very old blade but I don't have the courage to date it.