Could be a BREAKTROUGH book about Javanese keris in my posession

David · 19th October 2006, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Radu Transylvanicus

... frog pooridge... lungs jerky...

Yummy!!!

A. G. Maisey · 20th October 2006, 12:39 AM

Anybody who can survive this Javanese warung food has my complete respect. No, more :- admiration.

I`ve been going there for more than 40 years. I have had food poisoning several times, gastric upsets more times than I remember. Nearly every time I go I read of some mass case of food poisoning where people at a party , or factory workers have been poisoned by chicken soup or something; some of these people usually die. Javanese people themselves always seem to be sick with some sort of food induced illness.If not food induced, then its "masuk angin".

My wife went back on Saturday to visit our daughter and grandchildren. She will not ever leave Australia unless she has doxycycline, lomotil, and a whole range of anti-biotics.

In recent years I have refused to eat anything in Solo that has not been prepared in my own kitchen.I'm getting too old to take risks. If I got a real bad dose of food poisoning again, I`d probably go home in a plastic bag.

Rick · 20th October 2006, 12:55 AM

The origin of Jawa Demam explained at last !

Naga Sasra · 20th October 2006, 01:37 AM

Very nicely put Rick

Radu Transylvanicus, welcome back we look forward to see what you brought back home with you.

As for the breakthrough book, I am afraid quite a few of us have this booklet as well as the one from Bookstore 'De Verre Volken' that Alan mentioned.

But even though it is not a breakthrough, it is an important document and I congratulate you in being able to optain one. You mentioned its a book of dhapurs and pamors, but the one that you took a picture of the first page of is strictly on dhapurs. Did you also get a book on pamors

Again welcome back, glad you survived the cuisine there.

Marcokeris · 20th October 2006, 12:48 PM

Other books (amateur publication) that i know about with descriptions in bahasa and in old jawa language too:
"LIMA VERSI / DAPUR KERIS by Soedjarti Brototenojo
"ILMU KERIS - MENURUT SERAT CENHINI by S. Lumintu

only in bahasa:
"NAMA DHAPUR DAN IDENTIFIKASI KERIS DAN TOMBAK" by S. Lumintu

Certainly many others exsist

Radu Transylvanicus · 21st October 2006, 12:10 PM

I love the warungs (for those not familiar with the term it means "nasty ol shack with English language clueless people that cook in completely unsanitary conditions). For all you overly-cautios folks, I sugest you try some raw spitting-cobra blood with moonshine and I guarantee you no evil spell or food poisoning will touch you. And another suggestion: dont touch the water unless sealed in a bottle. Or just drink soda from a can. I had not even one shot done and I went to the worst places. Half survivor half stupid maybe but my imune system has always been "very Romanian"...

A. G. Maisey · 21st October 2006, 10:27 PM

Radu, I realise that you are being humourous, but since our Forum is named "Warung Kopi", I thought it best if I corrected your definition of "warung".

A warung is a small shop , or a stall.

In a village or kampung it is a mini-size general store that will sell everything from foodstuffs to tools, and is open from perhaps 5.30am until 9pm, 365 days a year.

Around the markets it can be a mini-shop selling food that you sit on a bench in the street at the front of the shop to eat, or it can be a stall set up on the sidewalk, with table and bench blocking the sidewalk and covered by a tarpaulin.

Along trunk roads it can be a place where you will buy light refreshment .

A warung can take many forms, and as Radu remarks, the food from some can be fairly risky.

In Indonesia people need high educational qualifications before they have any chance of getting any sort of a job. A Master in Pharmacology may, if he is lucky, qualify to be a travelling salesman for a drug company. This means most professionals do not enter the workforce until they are well into their twenties, or even early thirties. Even a factory maintenance worker will be about 20 before he gets a job---if he's lucky.

These people will be forced to retire at age 55, unless they have risen very high on the corporate scale.

Wages in Indonesia are just enough to sustain life, so the combination of a short working life and low wages means that everybody needs more money, all the time.This is not to mention the falling birth rate , which means that one of the traditional means of support in old age often no longer exists. If an Indonesian cannot own a house by age 55 it means that he faces severe insecurity in old age, and probably an early death. There is no social welfare system.

What has this got to do with warungs?

Well, one of the most usual ways for people in Jawa to supplement this low income when employed, and no income on retirement, is to open a warung in a front room of their house. Provided they are in a harmonious relationship with other people in their immediate community, their neighbours will buy from this warung at slightly higher prices than in the market, or will buy their cooked daily food from the warung, rather than cook at home, thus helping to support the owner of the warung.

In many ways, the humble warung can be the life blood of an entire community. In it can also be a place where people from widely varying walks of life come together,leave their position in the wider community at the door, and join discussion to solve the problems of the world over a cup of coffee.

20th October 2006, 12:55 AM	#3
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,336	AHA ! The origin of Jawa Demam explained at last !

21st October 2006, 12:10 PM	#6
Radu Transylvanicus Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: 2008-2010 Bali, 1998-2008 USA Posts: 271	The food I love the warungs (for those not familiar with the term it means "nasty ol shack with English language clueless people that cook in completely unsanitary conditions). For all you overly-cautios folks, I sugest you try some raw spitting-cobra blood with moonshine and I guarantee you no evil spell or food poisoning will touch you. And another suggestion: dont touch the water unless sealed in a bottle. Or just drink soda from a can. I had not even one shot done and I went to the worst places. Half survivor half stupid maybe but my imune system has always been "very Romanian"...

20th October 2006, 12:39 AM	#2
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,992	Anybody who can survive this Javanese warung food has my complete respect. No, more :- admiration. I`ve been going there for more than 40 years. I have had food poisoning several times, gastric upsets more times than I remember. Nearly every time I go I read of some mass case of food poisoning where people at a party , or factory workers have been poisoned by chicken soup or something; some of these people usually die. Javanese people themselves always seem to be sick with some sort of food induced illness.If not food induced, then its "masuk angin". My wife went back on Saturday to visit our daughter and grandchildren. She will not ever leave Australia unless she has doxycycline, lomotil, and a whole range of anti-biotics. In recent years I have refused to eat anything in Solo that has not been prepared in my own kitchen.I'm getting too old to take risks. If I got a real bad dose of food poisoning again, I`d probably go home in a plastic bag.

20th October 2006, 01:37 AM	#4
Naga Sasra Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Boca Raton, Florida, USA Posts: 108	Very nicely put Rick Radu Transylvanicus, welcome back we look forward to see what you brought back home with you. As for the breakthrough book, I am afraid quite a few of us have this booklet as well as the one from Bookstore 'De Verre Volken' that Alan mentioned. But even though it is not a breakthrough, it is an important document and I congratulate you in being able to optain one. You mentioned its a book of dhapurs and pamors, but the one that you took a picture of the first page of is strictly on dhapurs. Did you also get a book on pamors Again welcome back, glad you survived the cuisine there.

20th October 2006, 12:48 PM	#5
Marcokeris Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Italy Posts: 928	Other books (amateur publication) that i know about with descriptions in bahasa and in old jawa language too: "LIMA VERSI / DAPUR KERIS by Soedjarti Brototenojo "ILMU KERIS - MENURUT SERAT CENHINI by S. Lumintu only in bahasa: "NAMA DHAPUR DAN IDENTIFIKASI KERIS DAN TOMBAK" by S. Lumintu Certainly many others exsist

21st October 2006, 10:27 PM	#7
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,992	Radu, I realise that you are being humourous, but since our Forum is named "Warung Kopi", I thought it best if I corrected your definition of "warung". A warung is a small shop , or a stall. In a village or kampung it is a mini-size general store that will sell everything from foodstuffs to tools, and is open from perhaps 5.30am until 9pm, 365 days a year. Around the markets it can be a mini-shop selling food that you sit on a bench in the street at the front of the shop to eat, or it can be a stall set up on the sidewalk, with table and bench blocking the sidewalk and covered by a tarpaulin. Along trunk roads it can be a place where you will buy light refreshment . A warung can take many forms, and as Radu remarks, the food from some can be fairly risky. In Indonesia people need high educational qualifications before they have any chance of getting any sort of a job. A Master in Pharmacology may, if he is lucky, qualify to be a travelling salesman for a drug company. This means most professionals do not enter the workforce until they are well into their twenties, or even early thirties. Even a factory maintenance worker will be about 20 before he gets a job---if he's lucky. These people will be forced to retire at age 55, unless they have risen very high on the corporate scale. Wages in Indonesia are just enough to sustain life, so the combination of a short working life and low wages means that everybody needs more money, all the time.This is not to mention the falling birth rate , which means that one of the traditional means of support in old age often no longer exists. If an Indonesian cannot own a house by age 55 it means that he faces severe insecurity in old age, and probably an early death. There is no social welfare system. What has this got to do with warungs? Well, one of the most usual ways for people in Jawa to supplement this low income when employed, and no income on retirement, is to open a warung in a front room of their house. Provided they are in a harmonious relationship with other people in their immediate community, their neighbours will buy from this warung at slightly higher prices than in the market, or will buy their cooked daily food from the warung, rather than cook at home, thus helping to support the owner of the warung. In many ways, the humble warung can be the life blood of an entire community. In it can also be a place where people from widely varying walks of life come together,leave their position in the wider community at the door, and join discussion to solve the problems of the world over a cup of coffee.